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Monday, May 03, 2010

Ge'ula Watch Now Says 12:02

I don't know the meaning of this, but apparently, the Ge'ula watch given to Rav Mordechai Eliyahu by the Baba Sali now says 12:02.

This is according to Rav Eliyahu's wife, according to posters on the Moshiach and Geulah Forum. You can hear her being interviewed on Radio Moreshet.


At Mon May 03, 05:53:00 PM 2010, Blogger ysh said...

so what do we make of this? Mashiach should have been here 2 minutes ago. Maybe the watch was (gasp) just a broken watch).

At Mon May 03, 06:03:00 PM 2010, Blogger yaak said...

ysh, it's easy to be skeptical. I prefer the road less traveled when it involves Emunat Hachamim.

I have yet to hear the audio - will reserve judgement until I do.

At Mon May 03, 07:57:00 PM 2010, Blogger Devorah said...

If everything we read is true, which I doubt anyway, didn't we just hear that two tzaddikim prayed for Moshiach's coming to be delayed, and that is why Rabbi Eliyahu was in hospital, suffering for us all.
So if the watch says 12:02, it must mean Moshiach should have come during Pesach this year, but it was put off due to the abovementioned tzaddikim.
But like I said, I don't really believe too much these days, so I'm skeptical about the whole thing.

At Mon May 03, 08:59:00 PM 2010, Anonymous Shiloh said...

I heard this too while in Israel during Purim (from a source involved), it's not a rumor. What is the delay of re-revealing the Mashiach? Opinions say the war of gogumagog must occur then he will be revealed. Logic dictates that he is alive then. There was a bizarre blue lightening that occured also during Purim that was the talk of the religious there. Not to mention a seasons rainfall in 3 days. Many don't want the geulah as it will be a huge mess. Who are those delaying it and why, what is it we need to be looking at. Some rabbi's are aware of certain things or events (Yaak, I relayed some to you as a question, but where in fact realities that some have decided to hide), my question is are they delaying it? In the Tanach, it states that Jerusalem will be divided, then haShem will make His presence known. Divide it will be as much as it pains everyone I know, including those on this blog. Many rabbi's are afraid and prefer the status quo, totally understandable. Bottom line is we wait, the players are all here, it's just a matter of what we do. It's up to us, haShem will back us this time, you just don't know it, do you! Really, honestly, you don't.

I know personally, that haShem is about to force me and my family back to Israel, the signs are all there, ya, worried also, unemployment is probably around 20% when calculated correctly. I have many religious settler friends who can barely scrape by, while the corrupt prosper.

At Mon May 03, 09:19:00 PM 2010, Anonymous Anonymous said...

weren't there supposed to be 2 watches, one that indicated the time of moshiach if we meritted it, and the other if we don't merit? Something about a silver and a gold watch. Which watch was this?


At Tue May 04, 12:24:00 AM 2010, Blogger yaak said...

According to the audio, Rabbanit Eliyahu seems to say that one of the watches is at 12:02. (It seems that the other watch is not at 12:00 yet, but that's not clear from the audio.)

She explained that there's Be'itah and there's Ahishena. The Be'itah time has passed already, but we're still waiting for an Ahishena Ge'ula. (This goes against our usual thinking that an Ahishena Ge'ula will come before a Be'ita Ge'ula.)

This seems to put together what Devorah was saying above with what Kalman was saying above.

I just "happened" to be looking at the very last Midrash on Shir Hashirim tonight. It says that the Ge'ula cannot come too early, for if it does, it will not be good (the midrash compares it to harvesting before the grain or grapes are ripe and picking spices while they're still moist and giving birth to a premature baby -
these don't work well). Nevertheless, we do want it to come early if it is on the basis of our merits (as the commentaries say to explain the midrash) - that's Ahishena - hastening the Redemption through our merits.

May we truly merit Mashiah's arrival soon.

At Tue May 04, 07:42:00 PM 2010, Blogger Neshama said...

Yaak, speaking of harvesting: "Ultra-Orthodox Jews harvest wheat with a hand sickle in a field near the southern Israeli town of Kiryat Gat, Tuesday May 4, 2010. The wheat will be stored for almost a year before being used to grind flour in order to make the Matzah Shemurah (unleavened bread) for the week-long Passover festival next year." MAY 4th!

We definitely need more merits! (after shuls were set ablaze in Yerushalayim chv's)


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