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Tuesday, January 24, 2012

"Mashiah" in the News

2 news items from 2 women whose first name starts with an "N" and whose last name is "Mashiah".

Al Arabiya has an article from Naava Mashiah called "Are Arab Jews extinct?"
Elder of Ziyon has a guest post from Point of No Return who critiques it.

Meanwhile, Natalie Mashiach is claiming she was lynched by a band of extremist Hareidim in Beit Shemesh while putting up posters for the lottery, while she almost ended up like the victim of the short story "The Lottery".  Avreichim there are calling it a provocation since she initially refused to leave the Beit Midrash after being asked to do so (which does not at all justify the lynch, but merely shows the context).

We hope and pray to Hashem that the real Mashiah comes to save us from all those who come to harm us.


At Tue Jan 24, 02:39:00 PM 2012, Anonymous Neshama said...

I wish this would appear in one of the English news sites. Not enough information. She wasn't immodest (according to the pics), only in slacks. Maybe she didn't realize it was an all boys yeshiva? Not all not-yet-observant know the rules about frum lifestyles. Someone should have explained politely that she should not have entered the building. The extremists are bringing hatred upon us! HaShem Yishmor.

At Tue Jan 24, 03:13:00 PM 2012, Anonymous daniela said...

She entered a Beit Midrash to put up lottery posters?

At Tue Jan 24, 05:52:00 PM 2012, Anonymous Anonymous said...

awwwww! I really thought that THE moshiach was in the news!

At Tue Jan 24, 06:01:00 PM 2012, Blogger yaak said...

Acc. to AnashNews, the initial report said that she lifted up her shirt in the shul. She ignored reports that she did this in a subsequent article.

Kikar shows both versions. The Hareidim said that she was dressed inappropriately and she wanted to start a provocation. She said that she was just hanging up signs and someone started cursing and spitting at her and calling her Shiksa.

At Tue Jan 24, 07:51:00 PM 2012, Blogger Devorah said...

You may not want to link to this site, remove this comment if you like, but here's her side of the story:

At Tue Jan 24, 07:57:00 PM 2012, Blogger Devorah said...

Here's what it says anyway:

Victim of haredi attack: I thought I was going to die
Beit Shemesh resident Natalie Mashiah, who was assaulted by haredim while hanging signs in a synagogue, says she begged assailants to leave her alone, but they wouldn't. 'Some 50 people stood by and watched. Nobody said or did anything,' she recounts
Yoav Malka • Ynet

Beit Shemesh resident Natalie Mashiah, 27, who was attacked by dozens of extremist haredi men while trying to put up posters of Mifal Hapyis (Israel's national lottery) in a synagogue recalled the moments of horror.

"I didn't even have time to pull down the hand brake, and they already surrounded me. They shattered all the windshields and threw stones at me. I begged them to stop, I promised to leave, but they wouldn't let me go.

"Meanwhile, some 50 people stood by and did nothing – men, women and children. No one said anything or did anything," she recalled painfully.

The young woman, who was lightly injured in the incident, said "I saw death right in front of me. I thought I was going to die. I saw dozens of haredim appearing from all corners with rocks and bottles and I didn't know what was in them."

She only later found out the bottles contained bleach.

Mashiah has been working as a sales team manager for a firm that increases the chances to win the lottery. "I worked with the haredi sector before. In my current position I hang signs. People call, and I come to their houses, so I get to work with haredim quite often," she noted.

'I thought they would set car on fire'

The Beit Shemesh resident said she warned her attackers that she will call the police. "I went back out to the car, which was still running, and called the police. I told them that someone called me a whore and spat on me. They asked me to wait there until they came.

"After 10 minutes, I called again. They said they were on their way. I also called my brother and told him that I have been attacked. While I was talking to him I saw dozens of haredim approaching with stones and bottles," she recounted.

While Mashiah waited for police to arrive, the men continued to assault her. After shattering the windshield of her vehicle, one of the assailants poured bleach into the car.

"I was sure that they were going to set the car on fire while I am in it. I thought I was going to die. I slipped out of the car and hid behind the door while crouching with my hands over my head, but it still didn’t stop."

Mashiah said a man came near her and threw a stone on her legs. She then escaped to a nearby building, but one of the assailants was inside. "He called me a 'whore' and a 'shiksa', while I stood there shaking and crying."

Minutes later, police arrived and the haredim began to disperse.

After the incident Mashiah said she came to the neighborhood with modest dress: "I am an observant woman, and I respect them. But I won't come near Ramat Beit Shemesh again. Something has to change. It's inconceivable that I will be afraid to walk on the streets of my own city."

Three haredi men were arrested in connection with the incident.

Haredi media outlets said Mashaih provoked the men by lifting her shirt. The woman said the accusation was false.

At Tue Jan 24, 08:05:00 PM 2012, Anonymous Anonymous said...

all these isolated incidents are mind boggling. i am not sure how the economy is in israel. i know in my country its getting awful. while the leftists or seculars are doing all they can to make the religious people or any one isolated incident or incidents look awful, a limited handful of religious people are falling into their trap. i cant understand how EVEN a non religious person can want to paste lottery stickers on the yeshiva walls or in that particular place after all the highlighting of an 8 year old girl being spat at. in fact it reached m y media thousands of miles away. i have read of palestinians mobbing and killing jews but have not read of mobbing jews killing their own. perhaps there is someone there who is media hungry.

At Wed Jan 25, 12:24:00 AM 2012, Anonymous Neshama said...

This is not going to disappear without retribution from Shomayim. That poor girl.

That no one protected her is unconscionable to put it mildly. Civil war is ugly, no one is spared.

Meanwhile, the Jewish community in Brooklyn opens a grocery filled with products from Israel and they think they have created a little "Jerusalem in America", to coin a WWII phrase. Music & videos to celebrate their continued existence, actually just mesmerizing their ability to see the life disintegrating all around them. How much antisemitism is necessary to awaken them?

Huge flaming sun storms thrust at earth ... a siman?

At Wed Jan 25, 01:27:00 AM 2012, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Definitely a provocation. Since there has been no prior incident of chiloni woman entering shul/beis midrash to put up lottery! The chilonim in BetShemesh are the worst! You have to live there to know it! They constantly want to provoke the religious, particularly the charedim. They can't win -- don't listen to the stupid bias media.

At Wed Jan 25, 03:10:00 AM 2012, Blogger Daniela said...

So why did she enter the beit midrash. It is a house of Torah, yes it's for men, but women can surely enter if they have a reason, e.g. to ask questions. That includes nonreligious women, because - gasp - even frei yidden may have questions. Or perhaps someone urgently needs the doctor whose cellphone is off. The lady claims she went to hang flyers, as if it were the public billboard, obviously she has no respect for the beit midrash and for those who study there (my goodness, what sort of individual). I don't even want to talk about it, let us imagine it was the supermarket, the city hall, the sports center, the theater. Do we enter and hang flyers? Or rather we walk to someone in charge and respectfully ask "Excuse me, may I leave a few flyers?" If we are told to leave, do you think it is realistic that a normal person (distributing flyers as a courtesy or as a low-wage job) would get into a fight? Because of a stupid flyer, and we all know flyers are torn down a few minutes later, just after we have left?

What is more likely, her version, or that she went there for no other reason than stirring up a provocation, and when asked to leave, she pulled up her shirt?

And there is people who are wishing "retribution from Shomayim" upon fellow jews (indeed may they have good luck and success). Oh wait maybe these people have a wrong idea of what happened. Then please explain: why do they curse with antisemitism the Jews in Brooklyn? Where nothing at all happened? And who are guilty of "celebrating their continuing existance"? That's what really is in some people's heart!

At Wed Jan 25, 05:39:00 AM 2012, Blogger joshwaxman said...

Check out this LifeInIsrael post.

At Wed Jan 25, 07:10:00 AM 2012, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The erev rav come in religious garb, and that is what these people are. If as they say they truly believe that she was a provocation, these people belong in a mental institution, or should be curfewed at home. NOTHING justifies these outbursts of violence and verbal abuse. They are the problem. This applies to the real provocateur on the bus in Ashdod, too. Yes, she was wrong, but the response is not a Torah response.

Hashem yishmor. Aize chilul Hashem.
(written by a frum woman)

At Wed Jan 25, 07:29:00 AM 2012, Blogger Daniela said...

Those whom you disagree with "belong in a mental institution"? You are Yosif Stalin's student?

Pleased to report that our atheist and reform brothers and sisters are opening their eyes to the fact the anti-haredim campaign is really aimed at every jew, no different than in the past.

PS Am I the only one who thinks that "Natalie" is not such a common name for a jew? And am I the only one to think that "Natalie Messiah" is even stranger, and should ring a few alarms?

At Wed Jan 25, 09:37:00 AM 2012, Anonymous Anonymous said...

there mentally unstable ! period 1 period ! how do you deal with mental instability . from there side there religious jews but there hatred of young girls who are sin free is dispicable ~

At Wed Jan 25, 09:42:00 AM 2012, Blogger yaak said...


I agree with the Anonymous commenter. These hooligans belong in a mental institution or locked up elsewhere. They cannot be considered valued members of a society if this is how they treat people who are different than them.

And I fail to see your point about the name. Many Jews have non-Jewish names, which is not ideal, but certainly common. Also, Mashiah is a very common Sephardic name.

At Wed Jan 25, 10:39:00 AM 2012, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Daniela, your comment in response to mine is really strange. "Those with whom you disagree ...student of Stalin etc".

This isn't about a difference of opinions. This is about people committing acts of violence against the halacha and the law, whose purported defense is one of provocation. And what was that provocation? The sight of a woman. Well, I'm sorry, but women live in this world and if the mere sight of a woman provokes them into violence they need psychiatric help. They are a danger to society, and this is why they need locking up, not because I disagree with them.

At Wed Jan 25, 10:39:00 AM 2012, Blogger Daniela said...

Everyone can take their informations and should draw their conclusions. (The gedolim are not siding with her, are they?) That said, I did not think I would again hear anyone openly suggesting to institutionalize for "mental health reasons" the enemies who can't be charged of any crime (not even falsely, as they did not any and stayed away from doubts). I thought that in democratic countries, the only people who are institutionalized against their will are criminals who are unfit for prison detention and who are serving a sentence in mental health facilities.

Ms Natalie Messiah has no doubt filed a police report and everything will go to court in the next future. In the meantime perhaps someone can explain me why the haredim in Brooklyn should deserve being cursed with antisemitism, disintegration of their "little Jerusalem in America", and whatnot. I am curious.

At Wed Jan 25, 10:44:00 AM 2012, Blogger Daniela said...

Anonymous, if you try entering a bar or a disco and are deemed not smart-dressed or anyway not a desirable customer, you are asked to leave. If you don't leave, you will regret not having left. Good luck complaining to the police when the bouncer is finished doing his job.

Of course you may argue discos and nightclubs should be all closed down. Go ahead. I'm waiting to read about it on the newspapers.


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