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Friday, February 15, 2013

More on the Meteor

Some of the more interesting parts of the Fox News article:

A meteor streaked across the sky and exploded over Russia's Ural Mountains with the power of an atomic bomb Friday, its sonic blasts shattering countless windows and injuring about 1,100 people.

The spectacle deeply frightened many Russians, with some elderly women declaring that the world was coming to an end. Many of the injured were cut by flying glass as they flocked to windows, curious about what had produced such a blinding flash of light.


One of the most popular jokes was that the meteorite was supposed to fall on Dec. 21 last year -- when many believed the Mayan calendar predicted the end of the world -- but was delivered late by Russia's notoriously inefficient postal service.


Vladimir Zhirinovsky, a nationalist leader noted for his vehement statements, blamed the Americans.
"It's not meteors falling. It's the test of a new weapon by the Americans," the RIA Novosti news agency quoted him as saying.

See also R' Dov Bar Leib, in a comment on his latest post, saying:

Hold the presses!! Why did this first meteorite shower hit the Ural Mts?? because the Urals separate the European or Meshech portion of Russia from the Western Siberian or Tubal section of Russia, to kick off the Gog UMagog judgement on the nations!! Because in the first pasuk of Yechezkel 38 it says Gog from the Land of Magog Prince of Russia or Chief Prince of Meshech and Tuval.
I personally don't remember hearing that Tuval means Siberia, and when I researched it, there were people  (not necessarily Jewish) who do say this, but it is criticised as "not supported by history". 

The closest thing that I could find to this is that according to this chart, Rav Sa'adia Gaon says that Tuval is סין (which means "China" in Modern Hebrew) while Meshech is eastern Iran until the mountains of India, so if you're willing to look further south and east, this Meshech/Tuval positioning might be accurate.  I don't think any of the other classical interpretations come close. 

On the other hand, Hevlei Mashiah Bizmanenu (which I mentioned previously) does seem to say that these places are in Russia (I don't remember if he mentioned Siberia or not for Tuval).  Then again, it was written at the height of the Cold War.  Time will tell.


At Sat Feb 16, 01:05:00 PM 2013, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Tobolsk is a provincial capital in southwestern Siberia. It is at the confluence of the Tobol and Irtysh Rivers. The Tobol or Tubal River flows from northern Kazakhstan into Southwestern Siberia. The city of Tobolsk is located surrounded by millions of square miles of frozen marshland most of the year. Further north, especially north of where the Irtysh/Tobol Rivers empties into the Ob River, Western Siberia becomes a frozen tundra and is not very habitable. So the ancient Tuvalites likely settled along what is now the Tobol River stretching from Northern Kazakhstan in the Southern Ural Range toward Tyumen-Oblast Province in southwestern Siberia. The Ural town of Chelyabinsk mentioned in the previous post is in the neighboring province to the west.

Usually the names of rivers are a good indication of where an ancient civilization settled because the names of the rivers precede the names of towns that were built along their banks. This includes the Moscow River whose name preceded the founding of the city of Moscow. The shoresh of MoSKow or Moskva is Meshekh. So the Urals lie precisely between Meshekh and Tuval and separate European Russia from Western Siberia. Magog is further east in Eastern Siberia and Mongolia and is the source of the ancient Mongols. Two American Indian tribes migrated from ancient Mongolia (Magog) into the Southwestern US, the Apache and the Navajo. I have written about this previously on my blog. During the Middle Ages the Arab traders called the Great Wall of China: Al Magog because the Wall was built to keep out the Mongols. By the time Marco Polo finally arrived, the Wall had failed to keep out the Mongols. So Russia is a combination of three ancient descendants of Yafeth: Meshech, Tuval, and further to the east, Magog.

At Sat Feb 16, 01:34:00 PM 2013, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Apparently over Shabbat there were other meteorites in San Francisco and Cuba. So the one in the Urals was just the kickoff to something much larger that will happen this year 5773. The Hebrew word is Avnei Elgavish mentioned in Yechezkel 38:22 dealing with Gog UMagog of course. Avnei Elgavish is also mentioned in the Zohar VaYeira 119 for the year 73 when Obama or someone else will call for an international conference to destroy the Jewish people in "The Great City of Rome". This could be a reference to Rome, Maryland (Wash. DC). Avnei ElGavish means Rocks Crystallized on High by intense heat because fire is always mentioned in association with the word Avnei Elgavish in Tanach and again in the Zohar.

At Sat Feb 16, 02:26:00 PM 2013, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Sorry, the one in Cuba was on Wednesday. This wicked world is already trying to explain away what is going on by blaming it on HAARP and other natural excuses. It is kind of like blaming the Plague of Blood on the cataracts in the Upper Nile. Human nature has not changed much in over 3300 years.

At Sat Feb 16, 04:52:00 PM 2013, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Sorry to post one more comment. The 7th plague in Shemot is called Barad. In Shemot it is not called Avnei Elgavish. They are unlikely one and the same thing. In Tanakh, the compound word Avnei Elgavish only appears in Yechezkel, and in the Zohar it lists Barad and Avnei Elgavish separately in order to point out that they are not one and the same even though both Barad and Avnei Elgavish will occur as plagues at the end of days along with fire.

I do admit one thing. The word elgavish is spelled with an Aleph and not an Ayin. Usually something from on high is spelled with an Ayin Lamed. El with an Aleph usually denotes "to or toward". We see this even in the name of the airline El Al (To and Upwards). Maybe it should be called Al El, because a plane has to go up in order to go to someplace. Perhaps you can explain why Elgavish is spelled with an Aleph and not with an Ayin. Maybe it is meant to evoke wonder of Keil on High?? I must admit this meteorite shower in the Urals has the sense of a great awe for G-d in it. It is truly bizarre to see it just suddenly happen, a truly supernatural occurrence. So it seems that the el in elgavish is Keil, a Name of G-d.

At Sat Feb 16, 08:11:00 PM 2013, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Avnei elgavish according to the Midrash are the barad it says that it is the only plague that Moshe Rabbeinu asked Hashem to stop early. It then explains that Moshe was asking Hashem to keep some arsenal stored for later use, the first time being the battle of Yehoshua bin Nun at Giveon. And the next time being against Gog Umagog. The Midrash then says that elgavish is el gav ish, for the help of man, that the barad helps us.

At Sat Feb 16, 09:07:00 PM 2013, Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is just a begining for the revenge for all Jews blood. Stalin Imah Shemo Vezehro sent Jews to Siberia now we see the sign that revenge is coming, and our enemies will dissapear in near future.
I think it will be a good sign for Mashiah if either Asad or Ahmad will be killed during Adar or Nissan this year.

At Sun Feb 17, 12:59:00 AM 2013, Blogger Neshama said...

The first reports I read were, and now on Reuters:
"It exploded miles above Earth, releasing nearly 500 kilotons of energy - about 30 times the size of the nuclear bomb dropped on the Japanese city of Hiroshima in World War Two, NASA added."

At Sun Feb 17, 01:02:00 AM 2013, Blogger Neshama said...

Forgot to add that this was a Jewish area and broken Synagogue windows were what injured many inside as they ran to see what the 'explosion' was. Could we call this a "wake-up" call, like Sandy?

At Mon Feb 18, 11:16:00 AM 2013, Anonymous Tidbitsof Torah said...

Neshama, please send link to your latest post - and yes, I would think it also is a wake up call.


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