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Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Rav Fish Explains 5772-5773 (Video)

Updated - see below

I'm coming out of retirement to bring you this video (in Hebrew) of Rav Fish beginning to explain the essay that he has worked on for a couple years.  This looks like it will be the first of many videos on the subject.  The folder where it looks like these videos will be stored is here.

(This video is really just over 50 minutes long, but it seems that the whole video is repeated without sound for some reason, so you can ignore the second 50 minutes.)

In this video, Rav Fish first gives a general introduction to his still-expanding essay on the Geula.  Among many interesting things, he mentioned that he showed his essay to many rabbis and not one Rav said that what he is doing is improper.

Later in the video, he explains how the two opinions in when to start the 100 years (whether it starts in 5700 or 5701) will affect whether 5771 was the end of exile and 5772 starts the Geula or whether 5772 is the end of exile and 5773 starts the Geula.  Another monkey wrench added into the equation is the conflicting Zohars and Girsa'ot in the Zohar as to whether we count 60 + 6 + 6 or 60 + 6.5 + 6 or 60 + 6.5 + 6.5.

An interesting thing he mentions is that if the end of exile was this year (5772), then the passing of Rav Elyashiv ZT"L was not just on the actual day of the end of exile, but it was also in the exact hour, according to his calculation.

Ketiva Vahatima Tova to all and may we merit to see very good things in the near future.


Many more of the videos can be found here.


At Wed Aug 22, 09:16:00 AM 2012, Blogger emunah56 said...


At Wed Aug 22, 09:31:00 AM 2012, Blogger yaak said...

Good question. Sof Galuta does not necessarily mean Yeshuot right away. It simply means that something occurred that tells us that the Galut is over and the Geula will be forthcoming.

One guess could be that in Shamayim's calculation (as opposed to flesh and blood's population surveys' numbers), the majority of Jews now live in the Land of Israel. Hence, the "end of the exile". I don't know if it's true - it's just a guess, but quite possible.

At Wed Aug 22, 12:24:00 PM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...
look what rav ovaday yosef said

At Wed Aug 22, 12:47:00 PM 2012, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could someone who speaks Hebrew share with us the highlights of the video?

Thanks in advance.


At Wed Aug 22, 01:41:00 PM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

I think that Ya'ak shared the hi-lights of the video. A few things of note:
1. If the Shoah began with the invasion of Poland, then that was exactly the 17th of Elul, 5699. So the entire year of 5700 must be part of the count.

3. The final peqidah (Din v'Cheshbon) in 5760 was the beginning of the Al Aksa Intifada which began when Ariel Sharon ascended the Temple Mt. two days before Rosh HaShana 5761. The Arabs were already throwing boulders over the Kotel and injuring Jews on Friday afternoon Erev Rosh HaShana 5760. So the peqidah was likely in 5760 not 5761.

3. The South Lebanon War which pummeled Haifa and the Galilee began on the 17th of Tamuz, 5766. It ended all future unilateral disengagements from existing yishuvim in Yesha because the Galilee was bombed into submission, in particular, Red Haifa. Because of our lack of common decency in the previous summer, that was the extent of Mashiach appearing in the Galilee in year 66. Those of us anticipating Geulah deserved better.

4. The alignment of the 7 Sisters with the star from the east, the sun, occurred for the molad for Siwan with the annular solar eclipse. So that was in 5772 1/2. There is a continuing bloody war to the north of Eretz Yisrael in Syria and now Lebanon. We are all waiting patiently for Turkey to invade the Kurdish areas of Syria, making this a world war. And the beat goes on. The 60 days of black fire according to R. Ariel bar Tzaddok was a spiritual concept where the world was prepared for geulah by the hidden immanent presence of G-d. There has been a major psychological shift here in EY, now that Netanyahu has announced his intention to blast Iran in October. The announcement was accompanied by the statement that up to 500 people might die. So it would be best if more than half a million Left Coast Israelis will have to find refuge in the Shomron for the duration of the war. This one statement is causing wide spread panic amongst the Erev Rav, who use the art of bashing the settlers in order to worship their god of World Public Opinion. They have always been insane, but now they all need strait jackets. That seems like preparing the world for geulah to me. This leads me to the last question: Is Netanyahu Shilo or Shai lo? That question has not been answered yet.

At Wed Aug 22, 01:44:00 PM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

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At Wed Aug 22, 02:16:00 PM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Oh, so the Flame virus appearing on the 8th of Siwan may well have been a physical siman of a spiritual concept. The feel in Eretz Yisrael is very different now than it was right after Shavuot. I think that Bibi's application to be Shilo will be affected by what happens to Migron over the next few days. Right now that application to attain a level of spiritual greatness and a teshuvah for Shaul HaMelelkh is in jeopardy.

At Thu Aug 23, 10:35:00 AM 2012, Anonymous Moley said...

Man, it's really happening!! Yeah!!

At Thu Aug 23, 11:04:00 AM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Yes, Moley, I agree. It seems to be happening as we leave 5772 and enter 5773. But the process might last only one year, or it will last three years and end in the first year of the next Shmittah cycle 5776. That part is hard to darshan. Do we go directly to ben David, or do we go to Ben Ephraim first so that this time he can actually complete his job?

At Thu Aug 23, 11:48:00 AM 2012, Blogger Genoism said...

funny that we're still in exile.

At Thu Aug 23, 11:53:00 AM 2012, Blogger yaak said...

Geonism, see the second comment on this post.

At Thu Aug 23, 11:58:00 AM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Genoism: You are where you want to be when this comes down. The wings of an eagle are taking off from an airport near you. The eagles aren't landing next to your Batei Knesset on Ocean Pkwy. or whatever broad avenue exists where you are. The Aliyah flight is free with three suitcases per Oleh to boot, and the trip is less than 11 hours from NY where 200 years ago to travel from Vilna it took months (Now from Vilna it is a 3 1/2 hour flight). At this point in time for 7 months, your physical needs are taken care of by the Israeli taxpayer while you learn Hebrew in Ulpan. There are extenuating circumstances for not being able to make it, but if you want to come, nothing else except those extenuating circumstances and your desire to be where you are is keeping you there.

At Thu Aug 23, 12:01:00 PM 2012, Blogger Genoism said...

Yes i saw the comment when i made that post. No one knows how many jews there are because there so many generations of jews that have intermarried. There could be double or triple the number of jews in the world living all over and have no idea of their heritage.

There has been no large rally to return to israel - to a land with a filthy government. The end of the exile will happen when moshiach comes and tells us what to do then you can call it the end of the exile. Until then don't think stuff like this hasn't happened virtually every year.

The same was said when america went to war with afgan, iraq, etc etc.

At Thu Aug 23, 12:06:00 PM 2012, Blogger yaak said...

Or there could be the much more likely scenario that people who thought they were Jews around the world are really not. No one knows the exact number sans Hashem.

At Thu Aug 23, 12:09:00 PM 2012, Blogger Genoism said...

@Dov Bar-Leib

You're missing the point - there is no reason to return to israel as it stands. Hashem kicked us out and we will come back when he wants us to. Not when we think we should come back.

Additionally, i have lived in israel before i will not get any free flight, ulpan or anything. (My family lived there for 2 years when i was very young so i am a citizen). So now, no free flight, i dont know the language and by far and large the i refuse to move from one corrupt government to an even worse one. At least in america the government doesn't actively try to screw the people over, but in israel they are scum and my family and relatives have first hand experience with that.

When moshiach comes he will bring us to israel and that is exactly what i will wait for.

At Thu Aug 23, 12:21:00 PM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

No, I don't think that there has been 6 million Jews living in Eretz Yisrael since maybe the First Temple Period. So it is different now, more different than ever before even with the filthy Erev Rav in control of the courts here. With Yisrael HaYom newspaper, they have lost control of the printed press, though. YNet, Baruch HaShem, will be laying off half of their what you called filthy leftist reporters. And I actually agree with you that the klipot are filthy. No one said that it was easy living with them. But better to live in Eretz Yisrael in a city filled with them (which is not my case at all) than to live in the heart of a Jewish ghetto in Brooklyn. The words of our Torah are filled with longing to be here. It fills most of the parshiyot of the Torah. Has anything changed in the last 3300 years to alter that longing or desire?

just saw your last comment. So in your extenuating circumstance you don't get Sal Klitah or a free flight. sorry about that even if that is not true for the vast majority of American Jews. Yes, the courts, the prosecutor's office, and the internal structure of the political parties are corrupt. And the Courts are truly evil. But that is the klipot spoken of in Kol HaTor. But since I am not going to convince you, I will end here. But in an Obama 2nd term, America will actively, as you say, screw the people over. His odds of winning are about 50/ 50. It is your ball on the Russian roulette wheel. Red you get Romney, and Black you get the desolate Obamanation.

At Thu Aug 23, 12:40:00 PM 2012, Blogger Genoism said...

It doesn't matter which president gets elected, a leader of a country does not have free will and is controlled by Hashem. Romney will do the same thing as Obama and visa versa. America has been screwing its people over too - don't get me wrong. But at least they don't do it as openly as israel. Cops pulling you over for bribes, government officials "inspecting" your business and charging you for their inspections, etc...I could go on and on. I have half my family relatives living in israel - i hear plenty of horror stories all the time.

You are supposed to live where you can grow the most. That's exactly what I'm doing.

At Fri Aug 24, 12:51:00 AM 2012, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yaakov please stop it! All these wrong predictions and you still haven't learned anyhing? Please stay in retirement you just put more harm and false hpe in the hearts of others.

At Fri Aug 24, 01:17:00 AM 2012, Blogger yaak said...

Anonymous 12:51,

I plan to stop it, but not for your reasons. The last 2000 years of Jewish history is replete with wrong predictions. Why don't you get angry with Ribbi Akiva, the Zohar, the Gemara Sanhedrin and Avoda Zara, Rashi, the Ramban, the Hatam Sofer, the Malbim, and many many more? Did you tell them to stop it? Should they have "retired"?

For true believers, there is no such thing as false hope. We continue to believe no matter what. It is with this premise (among many other reasons) that I believe these predictions are OK to make. And of course, I am not the one making these predictions - they are compiled from great Talmidei Hachamim. I try not to harm anyone's Emuna - Aderaba, the vast majority of readers have told me that my blog strengthens their emuna - but if you are afraid that your emuna will be harmed by reading my blog, DO NOT READ MY BLOG. Why you feel you need to give me false mussar is beyond me.

At Fri Aug 24, 01:23:00 AM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

so moshiach soon

At Fri Aug 24, 02:07:00 AM 2012, Blogger Genoism said...

r. akiva didn't make predictions he just said that some guy was moshiach and when he died he admitted that he was not.

rambam curses anyone who makes a prediction - do u really want to be cursed?

I don't know who this rav fish is but he's going to have to do some serious fishing his way out of serious trouble in shomayim.

At Fri Aug 24, 02:18:00 AM 2012, Blogger yaak said...

Ribbi Akiva was Doreish "Od Ahat Me'at Hi" (Sanhedrin 97b) - if that's not a prediction, I don't know what is.

The Rambam was against predictions, but then goes ahead and relays over a prediction that was a tradition from his father about Bil'am being half of the world's time.

I've already explained about a billion times how "תיפח עצמן של מחשבי קיצין" doesn't apply nowadays. Rav Fish has even more reasons. Ayin Sham.

I wouldn't start telling people who's in serious trouble in Shamayim if I were you. Rav Fish has a tremendous Zechut. As I wrote in the post taken from the video, not one rabbi told him that what he is doing is improper.

At Fri Aug 24, 02:35:00 AM 2012, Blogger Genoism said...

ok well tell me this - whats the point of making a prediction if u know there's a 50% chance you are wrong? It can only have negative effects, few positive.

At Fri Aug 24, 02:48:00 AM 2012, Blogger yaak said...

You can ask the same question to the list of people I just listed.

I completely disagree with you.

Even if there's a 99% chance that I am wrong, it's worth making the prediction. The reason is that it gets myself and others into a Geula mood and think about Teshuva. I don't buy into the cry-wolf problem. In that story, no one thinks a wolf will come ever. In this case, we know Mashiah will come. OK, so not this time - maybe next time.

At Fri Aug 24, 08:26:00 AM 2012, Blogger Genoism said...

Look i agree that there are the 1% who will be inspired to do teshuva - but you have to admit most people will bank on what you say and give up afterwards.

Not only that but do you really want hashem to tell you that look i know you did teshuva but it wasn't from wanting to clean your sins and live a clean life - it was purely out of fear of moshiach. I'm not saying that this is bad(the world would be in a very good place if all the jews followed hashem just out of fear alone) - but this is a low level of teshuva as it is explained in mesilas yesharim.

At Fri Aug 24, 09:45:00 AM 2012, Blogger yaak said...

No, I do not admit that. I believe that most people will be inspiired each time - especially nowadays, when we know it's so close. Re: teshuva miyir'a vs. Me'ahava, that could depend on the mahloket between Ribbi Eliezer and Ribbi Yehoshua as to whether the teshuva before Mashiah will come from one's own or because of a Haman-like king. It doesn't need to be from fear if we don't make it from fear.

At Mon Aug 27, 02:12:00 PM 2012, Blogger Tidbits of Torah said...

Yaak - please continue! I always but always look at every event as THE LAST biggie before the complete gelua and if not - I eagerly await the next one. As Devash posted on her site: Zohar on Parshat Vayera?

In the 73rd year, all the kings of the world shall assemble in the great city of Rome. And the Holy One, blessed be He. will shower fire and hail and meteoric stones upon them, until they are wiped out from the world. And only those kings who did not go to Rome will remain in the world.

Some think "73" could refer to 5773. Guess what is scheduled on the second day of Rosh Hashanah 5773?

18 September 2012, at 3 p.m. - The United Nations General Assembly begins at United Nations Headquarters in New York

That's right. In the 73rd year, all the world leaders will be assembling in New York.... While we are reading from the parshah from which this Zohar is derived.


Yes, I am very much appreciative and inspired with what you post.

At Mon Aug 27, 02:41:00 PM 2012, Blogger Neshama said...


At Mon Aug 27, 02:53:00 PM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Tidbits: The only problem with the start of the UN session of the General Assembly being the event of 5773 spoken of in the Zohar is the timing. Two events must precede it.

1. The war in Syria must become a world war in which two kings will perish.

2. All the nations of the earth must want to drive Israel from being a nation in the world. This will not happen until Obama is re-elected...if this actually occurs. I am assuming that he will be re-elected since we are in a complete b'itah scenario now. And this Zohar describes the b'itah process that started with the molad for Siwan in 5772 when the 7 Sisters were aligned with the sun. So in order for ALL the nations to agree that Israel should be driven from being a nation in the world, Obama must be re-elected. Then there will be an international conference to achieve this in some Western City or in Rome itself. I have also heard that before Washington DC existed, there was a Rome, Maryland which was replaced by Washington DC. So the fire and brimstone and the meteorites will have to wait until later on in 5773.

At Wed Aug 29, 10:44:00 PM 2012, Blogger in the vanguard said...

Know how you feel about winding down the blog. It is, after all, as they say in Chassidus, "a descent for the purpose of a (greater yet) ascent"; "ירידה לצורך עליה".
כל טוב


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