Wednesday, March 21, 2007

Going Home

Neshama, a frequent commenter on this and other blogs, has started a blog called "Going Home". I wish Neshama much Hatzlaha, and I hope I myself get inspired by the blog.

Here is a list of other blogs, among others, that have inspired me to make the move, even though it's not happening at the moment, but hopefully, one day soon (in no particular order):

Lyons of Judah
Cosmic X
Point of Pinchas
Dreaming of Moshiach
Countdown to Redemption
From Hollywood to the Holyland
Shiloh Musings
Life in Israel

There are many others too.

I've also noticed that the messages have been getting more frequent and heavier lately. Have you?

14 Comments:

At Wed Mar 21, 06:09:00 PM 2007, Blogger Yaakov Nathan said...

The dire messages are indeed the last dying gasp of the impure core of the nearly deceased Zionist idea.

The Torah is crystal clear in so many places--niglah, midrash, meforashim, nistar--that Moshiach himself is the one who comes and takes the children of Israel out of the lands of the nations.

Someone wants to go now for positive reasons, they should go with health. But in the final geulah we do not run, we do not flee, Moshiach takes us by the hand in full view of the nations among whom we live and the miracles themselves are the greatest kiddush Hashem.

A few sources (from among many) have been posted here: http://moshiach.forumsplace.com/message1747.html

If any Jew is left behind then it is not the true and complete geulah.

 
At Thu Mar 22, 02:09:00 AM 2007, Blogger Cosmic X said...

Yaak,

Thanks for the link! Hope to see you here soon!

Yaakov Nathan,

From what I have learned the Torah is anything but clear with regards to the future redemption. The verse
בעתה אחישנה

being an example. In any case, the Mitzvah of living in the Land of Israel is incumbent upon us, even in these times.

 
At Thu Mar 22, 02:29:00 AM 2007, Blogger Rafi G said...

I am honored to be on your list.. let's get together when you come.. :-)

actually I will probably see you this summer. looks like we will (probably) be coming in for a certain simha..

 
At Thu Mar 22, 03:27:00 AM 2007, Blogger muse said...

Thank you so much for the link.
I look forward to the day when we f2f here in Shiloh!

 
At Thu Mar 22, 03:38:00 AM 2007, Blogger nava said...

Thank you for telling us about Neshama's website (and also about countdown to redemption).
You are doing a great job compiling a lot of bloggers urging Am Israel to make an Aliya (upwards) and return from the Yerida (downwards).

May HaShem bestow you and all Klal Israel with the urge and need to make Aliya right away, amen.

 
At Thu Mar 22, 05:16:00 AM 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yaakov Nathan, the first commenter, is horrendously wrong.

Five million Jews live in Israel. The "nearly deceased zionism" did its job. Soon Rov Ha'Am will live in the Land. We will (have to) have Sanhedrin, build the Mikdash. Rov Ha'Am in the Land could come about in a second in a way that I do not want to describe. Make no mistake! Ignore those who speak about Moshiach flying everybody home, the Mikdash coming from Heaven, and the like. These things are based on mistaken understandings of certain concepts of Kabbala.

 
At Thu Mar 22, 12:39:00 PM 2007, Blogger Yaakov Nathan said...

"Ignore those who speak about Moshiach flying everybody home"

Like the Lubavitcher Rebbe?
The Holy One, blessed be He, will return to Tzion, to Yerushalayim the holy city, and to our holy land together with every Jew with "clouds of heaven" with no need for airplanes or the like, since via "cloud of heaven" (the clouds of the Holy One, blessed be He) we arrive much faster, effortlessly, "from His full, open, holy, expansive hand."

(26 Adar 5751)
sicha in loshon kodesh

 
At Thu Mar 22, 02:08:00 PM 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some people cannot move to Israel and it's understandable. Either becuz they don't feel the urge or they are stuck...
Their justification to staying behind is understood, too.

BUT, there is a Mitzvah of living in Eretz Israel no matter what anyone says. And this major Mitsva cannot be fullfilled by living outside of Israel!

 
At Thu Mar 22, 11:49:00 PM 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yaakov Nathan, thanks for the citation. It illustrates very nicely what I wrote: You apply concepts of Kabbala to this world in a simplistic fashion which are not meant to be applied this way.

We live in this world. In this world we can now fly by plane, Baruch HaShem. In this world there is no faster way. We cannot arrive by the clouds of Heaven, my friend. Clouds of Heaven are words of Kabbala. Do not make Halacha out of it. The Halacha is that we are not allowed to rely on miracles if we can to things in a natural way. You are wrong. And anticipating your "but": Yes, the Lubavitcher rebbe was wrong in this case. As an aside, the rules of pesika in Jewish tradition have it that in general we prefer older rulings over newer once. A quote from one contemporary rabbi does not change Halacha. We are bound to do things in a natural way. You are teaching what is not Halacha. And you know what the Mishna says. This destroys the world. This particular wrong teaching is especially serious. It will destroy the worlds of those who remain in the Galut after its end. HaShem Yerachem. Please, HaShem, awaken our souls.

 
At Fri Mar 23, 02:47:00 AM 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

People like to say that we have no prophets today. That's not true. The words of our holy prophets were preserved for us in the Tanakh. Why? Because they are as relevant for us today as they were when they were recorded.

If only Am Yisrael would heed the words of her prophets at least as well as she does her rebbeim!!

Every b'ita scenario carries dire consequences which we ignore at great peril. No serious and honest student of Torah denies that we are on this path.

It is true that we will not be forced to rush out. Forty years of a wide open door is no "rush." But an end comes. Hear the words of the Prophet of G-D:

"...As I live, says the Lord God, surely with a strong hand and with an outstretched arm and with poured out fury, will I reign over you.

And I shall take you out of the peoples, and I shall gather you from the lands in which you were scattered, with a strong hand and with an outstretched arm and with poured out fury.

...I shall separate from you those who rebel and those who transgress against Me; from the land of their sojournings I shall take them, but to the land of Israel they shall not come, and you will know that I am the Lord."

Refusal to enter the Land is rebellion. We know this from the episode of the spies and the price we have paid for it for three millenia now. You may justify it and rationalize it, but you were not always "stuck." Once you were old enough to leave your parents but young enough to be unencumbered with debts and a recalcitrant spouse.

Our bad choices always exact a price. For some of them, we pay very dearly. The FACT is that the exile is ending and NO JEW WILL BE LEFT BEHIND. However, the prophet tells us (warns us) that this will follow the pattern of redemption from Egypt, wherein, not one Jew was left behind in Egypt, but not every Jew survived to enter Eretz Yisrael.

Hashem honors our freewill choices!!! If you spurn the Land, Hashem will not force you to live in it. But He will not allow you to remain outside of it either.

Navi Yechezkel (chapter 20) makes clear that this is for a future time when Am Yisrael is regathered from all the nations.

He who is wise (more interested in truth than in proving a pre-conceived agenda) will take the message to heart.

I have nothing to gain or lose either way. I simply care about my brother.

One more thing. I learned long ago that almost anything can be proved with bits and pieces pulled out of context. That method is not conducive to good understanding.

YY--Many thanks for the mention of my short-lived blog. I'm no blogger, but if I see anything of relevance, I'll add it there. Like an aliyah to the Torah, one must be called up. YY---May you be called up for your aliyah to Eretz Yisrael without further delay!!

Shabbat shalom! Chag kasher v'sameach!

Blessed to be Yerushalmi

 
At Fri Mar 23, 01:03:00 PM 2007, Anonymous Moshe Meir said...

Yerushalmi:

Here we are in 4 Nissan, Jonathan Pollard is still in jail and the Yellowstone volcano did not erupt. Care to expound on this?

 
At Fri Mar 23, 04:28:00 PM 2007, Blogger yaak said...

Making Aliya is important because:
a) to do the Mitzva of Yishuv E"Y
b) to do the Mitzvot that are only applicable in E"Y
c) in case a Be'ita Redemption occurs (which it unfortunately looks like), the miracles R' Yaakov Nathan speaks of, may not occur, even though I hope and pray that an Ahishena Redemption will occur.

 
At Sun Apr 01, 04:03:00 PM 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Above Anonymous said... "Clouds of Heaven are words of Kabbala. Do not make Halacha out of it".
That is true, and that is the reason that the world lives in the Dark still and the Sun of Moshiach has not been seeing even when the time of the New Day started.People are blind but they do talk a lot about "the light,the sun and day".
The darkness dominate their mind and it speaks about the "dark light";about flying people,flying nation, flying temples,flying world.The blind leads the blind and everywhere becomes Darkness...

 
At Wed Apr 04, 08:37:00 PM 2007, Blogger RadicalYid said...

Well I am no scholar but YN quotes the Rebbe that we will fly there on clouds of heaven. But like alot of other things we have part of a Sicha of the Rebbe taken out of context and applied to a belief system about the coming of Moshiach. I dont think the Rebbe was wrong! What the Rebbe was discussing was one of the ways Moshiach and the geula may occur. To disagree with the Rebbe on this point would mean disagreeing with a stack of seforim and may Rebbeim besides the Rebbe of Lubavitch.

A question has to be asked.
Who was the Rebbe speaking of? All of Klal Yisrael living outside of the Land of Israel? Or maybe the remanent left there? Obviously every Jew doesnt mean those already in the land..no need to fly if you live there.

What we are seeing is the symptom of Galut..some people dont want to live in the Land and search for reassurances that their decision is correct..they will go to all sources. To find someone who will support them..and they will find them. The one place they dont go to is there own Soul with Reckoning why dont they live in the land..they dont want to ask the question of themselves.

Some people cant..or think they cant come to the Land now..and I hope the Rebbe's description is realized in the fullest..and all Jews outside the land are brought there via the clouds of heaven.


But as for me why wait..I and my family are going to make Aliyah this summer with HaShems Help. Why?
Becuase I asked myself why not? A Question all Jews living outside the Land need to ask of themselves..

 

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