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An Open Letter Concerning the Teachings of Rabbis David Katz & Chaim Clorfene

The following is from the Tomer Devorah blog: 

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Regular readers will understand my thankfulness and gratitude to HKB"H for enlightening the eyes of his servants - our rabbis - and giving them the courage to take this public stand on such an important and crucial subject. Baruch Hashem for the truth coming out!!

(Did Rabbi Meir Kahane Really "Get Ger"?)


An Open Letter Concerning the Teachings of Rabbis David Katz and Chaim Clorfene 

October 20, 2017 

For Public Dissemination 

It is with deep concern and sorrow that we, the undersigned, feel compelled to make this public statement regarding the teachings of Rabbis David Katz, Chaim Clorefene, and the pseudo-"Ger" movement that has grown from these teachings. We do so not as close associates or members of a common organization, but as trained rabbis serving the Noahide public from across a spectrum of Torah traditions and perspectives, unified in this hour of need. Finally, we do so only after having consulted Rabbi Yoel Schwartz א"שלט ,who has unreservedly retracted any support of R. Katz or his teachings. (See his own statement attached.)

Rabbis Katz and Clorefene have developed a renegade halakhic theory of non-Jewish/Noahide identity that is cleverly marketed as “Ger.” This theory is becoming attractive to non-Jews because it promises them an identity that is claimed to be more legitimate than Bnei Noach or “Noahides” and somehow “frees” non-Jews from idolatry. Among their most strident claims is that all other rabbis teaching the traditional Noahide Path of the Seven Laws are keeping their students “in idolatry” (!) by not accepting “Ger” according to their definition of this term. However, their attractive packaging and self-righteous vitriol cannot cover up the truth: that it is a contrived, maverick re-definition of codified Torah concepts that neither they, nor any rabbinical body in our time for that matter, have any authority, right, or reason to alter. 

None of the sources that Rabbis Katz or Clorefene have quoted or claimed as the basis of their “ger” concept (i.e., the Raavad or the writings of Rav Aharon Soloveichik, etc.) are new or unknown to the rabbinical community. Many are standard rabbinical sources. However, the theory they have built around these sources is bizarre, misleading, and contrary to halakhah. Accordingly, it was deeply painful, though a relief, to learn from Rabbi Yoel Schwartz himself that the note of approbation that Katz had obtained from him for “The World of the Ger” was deviously contrived: The aged ultra-orthodox rabbi, a non-English speaker, issued Katz a short, general standard note of approbation, such as he regularly gives to new books, without knowing all the details of the work. He did so from a place of trust, in the hope of motivating and strengthening the hand of rabbis reaching out to build Noahide observance. When he was made aware of the full picture of Katz’s ideas and motives, how his trust was abused, and how his original note was later lengthened and blown up to be a categorical support for all of R. Katz’s ideology, it brought deep angst to the senior rabbi. 

What makes Katz’s and Clorefene’s teachings particularly dangerous is that they involve deeply complicated issues that require extensive background to grasp. Rabbi Katz is aware that many of his students lack the sufficient mastery of the texts and issues involved—mastery required to understand why his teachings are so problematic. When deflecting legitimate criticism of his teachings, he preys on that ignorance. Knowing that his followers cannot independently verify the accuracy of what he is saying, he resorts to rhetorical tactics such as these: 

When R. Katz’s followers are asked to check his mistranslations using outside sources, he deflects this challenge by telling them that existing translations are unreliable. When presented with sources that contradict him, he simply accuses other rabbonim of “not knowing how to learn,” or responds with ideas that are unintelligible and thereby impossible to refute because they are impossible to understand. When we have asked his followers to verify his teachings with a neutral third party, R. Katz again resorted to the claim that “that person (the third party) is unreliable” or “doesn’t know how to learn.” R. Katz's responses often sound authoritative to his followers because they quote rabbinical sources and use Hebrew. When experienced rabbis then explain why Rabbi Katz’s answers do not make sense, he responds, “See, my opponents don’t know how to learn.” When they do gain familiarity with the Torah sources, even educated Noahides can discern blatant fallacies of logic in Katz’s and Clorefene’s 2 rhetoric: argument from repetition, moving the goal-posts, argument from authority, red-herring fallacy, appeal to emotion, and ad hominem attacks, to name a few. Whatever a challenge this can pose to veteran Noahides, no one suffers more from all this than those who are new to Torah. 

This statement of ours must not be misunderstood as a personal, ad hominem attack of our own, Heaven forbid. It is painfully difficult for us to speak negatively about the work of any scholar earnestly trying to teach Torah. For years we held on to hope that Rabbis Katz and Clorefene would start giving their listeners a balanced perspective and, in the very least, commit to expressing themselves responsibly. Accordingly, several of us have each, to varying degrees, attempted to engage Katz privately to discuss these issues in a civil, respectful fashion (the blatant denial of this fact on his part is deceitful). Sadly, he quickly turned these private discussions into public spectacles, sharing our communications publicly, and childishly mocking his fellow rabbis who had approached him in good faith. He and Clorefene have engaged their followers in publicly disdaining and ridiculing respected teachers of Torah. Masking the cult-like aspect of the following he and Katz have created, Rabbi Clorefene ironically paints all the rest of the Noahide movement and its teachers as a “cult.” The Noahide organizations that they and their pseudo-“Ger” followers discredit have worked closely with the rabbinical community for years, with the common goal of shining the light of truth on the Gentile relationship with HaShem. Just as Judaism is taught with rabbinical sources, Noahism too can only be taught with those same rabbinical sources; they are both parts of one and the same tradition. These organizations provide the necessary platforms for this truth to be disseminated to the Gentile world. 

While Katz and Clorefene may initially attract the love and loyalty of their listeners, this hostility ultimately distances those innocent souls from Torah and the Jewish People, undermining centuries of Jewish teaching in their eyes. When their followers see their role-models spurning and belittling the counsel of their peers and great rabbis of the generation, they learn to hold traditional Torah scholarship in suspicion and even contempt. What they would see, if their eyes were opened, however, are two scholars, utterly alone in their views, who will not engage in normal rabbinical discourse – all on account of a revisionist theory that contradicts foundational halakhah. It is akin to a marital conflict in which an unfaithful husband spurns the counsel of his professional, deeply-caring peers. Feeling cornered on account of his vices, he instead resorts to turning his child against the mother. 

Although David Katz’s teachings contain some truth, they are mixed with complicated, difficult distortions, and tainted with egotism and hostile rhetoric. Rather than working to strengthen the bridges built over decades of work by numerous rabbis and teachers – bridges between noble non-Jewish souls and the Torah community – Rabbis Katz and Clorefene have chosen to burn those bridges with hostile and divisive rhetoric. As such, the teachings of these two men have become “a stumbling block before the blind.” Therefore, we strongly urge every G-d fearing person and lover of Torah truth to distance him or herself from the pseudo- “Ger” movement, David Katz and Chaim Clorefene, and their teachings. 


Rabbi Moshe Weiner 
Jerusalem, Israel 
Author of Sheva Mitzvot HaShem and The Divine Code

Rabbi Chaim Richman 
International Director of The Temple Institute 
Author of A House of Prayer for All Nations: The Holy Temple of Jerusalem and The Holy Temple of Jerusalem 

Rabbi Avraham Sutton 
Kiryat Ye`arim, Israel 
A teacher of Torah, kabbalah, Talmud, chassidut and more for over 30 years. He has translated, edited and/or authored over 20 major Torah works in English. 

Rabbi Avraham Chaim Bloomenstiel 
Moreh Horaah and Rosh Chabura Choshen Mishpat, Yeshiva Keter HaTorah 
Author of the Pirchei Shoshanim Noahide Laws Project 

Rabbi Michael Shelomo Bar-Ron 
Beit Shemesh, Israel 
Founder and Head of Beth Midrash Ohel Moshe, Beit Shemesh, Israel 
Author of Guide For The Noahide, Oral Torah From Sinai, and Song Of The Creator 

Rabbi Chaim Coffman 
Beitar Illit, Israel 
For many years, Rabbi Coffman has been working with both Noahides and those in the process of conversion to Judaism, teaching and guiding them under the auspices of HaRav HaGaon Moshe Shternbuch.

Rabbi Moshe Perets
Executive Director
The Noahide Academy of Jerusalem
Jerusalem, Israel

Rabbi Moshe Shulman
Executive Director of Judaism’s Answer
New York, New York

Rabbi Shulman adds the following:

I have read this open letter and I would like to lend my support to this effort to counter this aberration and distortion of our Holy Torah and the words of our Sages that goes by the name “Ger.” I implore all those who are sincere and desire to fulfil HaShem’s purpose for them to heed the words of those scholars who have delved into the halacha (Torah laws) dealing with the obligations of Non-Jews towards HaShem as we have received from our tradition in the Talmud, commentaries, and legal codes.

Link to original HERE

See also: Leading Rabbis Unite To Denounce Pseudo-“Ger” Movement


At Mon Oct 23, 03:07:00 PM 2017, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was once an avid reader of David Katz's website, and indeed his teachings are very liberal to gerim. And as a Gentile I am as far as I know not to encourage the Gentiles to conversion.

Incidentally, I want to take this addendum and talk a little about Rabbi Avraham Chachamovits shlita, who here in Brazil is doing a wonderful job with Jews and non-Jews. And as here in Brazil there are no conversions much of its followers are noahides. When I was younger, I thought about converting myself, but then I saw that there was no need, in general most of the Gentiles who convert are for the sake of vested interests and not by intention. And conversion is for the very few, very few. I myself being a Gentile, am I sad when I see a Jew of intact lineage marrying a giyures, the gerim should not marry one another at least until the third generation before entering the klal? Anyway, it is not my intention to get involved in your business.
I only took the opportunity to say that here specifically in Brazil there is a rather growing movement of Noahides, based on the holy teachings of Rabbi Avraham Chachamovits.

At Mon Oct 23, 04:23:00 PM 2017, Blogger Devash said...

Anonymous, a kosher female convert to Judaism is a full Jewess and is free according to the Torah to marry any other Jew except a Cohen.

Yaak, thank you very much for this community service and fyi, no need ever to cite me as a source. All that matters is getting the info out. Thanks again!

At Tue Oct 24, 01:02:00 AM 2017, Blogger 814 אורנה ניצבת said...

Bs' d

Thank you both. May we see just pure Emet and be guided by.
Hashem said to us to be holy.
By speech, food, clothing...
He gave us the 7 species (chita and seora bli klipot=> the gematria is 613 <=is the most attacked by the huge golf of modern diet advise! ).
Many times you see at Shabbat table challot made from cusmin, SOD left out by using mitz anavim, vegetarian s getting their very loving way on meals of Shabbat.
What Hashem Yitbarach said is the way to live. HATORAH can be lived by Arieh, not a dog.
We must read the Torah (whole Orah Oraita) as the only TRUE and stay away from the modern ideas of gentiles.
What will David ha Melech do?
What will we serve him?
What do we serve Hashem every Shabbat?
What do we serve with our speech? Eyes? Ears?
The 13 principles of being Jewish.
Shalosh SEUDOT.
Not taking or adding anything.
Ha Torah is the answer.
Eretz Israel.
Am Israel be holy.
Bless the food that Hashem told us to eat and be holy.

At Tue Oct 24, 02:09:00 AM 2017, Blogger Cosmic X said...

Never heard of these guys. This just shows that finding a rabbi who is truly faithful to Torah can be challenging.

At Tue Oct 24, 11:18:00 AM 2017, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a regular Jew reading only Jewish blogs, I can easily concur with these wonderful Rabbis who are bringing forth the truth to the public, at long last. When I first saw Katz & Clorfene's blogs a while back and after reading for a while their writings, I immediately saw and understood that something is not right, not kosher with these guys, and I stopped reading their blogs or anything where they might have been referenced. It is sad to say that there is so much falsehood being spread in every direction within the Jewish world at this time, that the uninformed can easily be swayed, c'v. The sitra achra is working overtime before our geulah! H' yerachem!


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