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Friday, August 31, 2012

What Was Buried With Rav Mordechai Eliyahu ZT"L - Part 2

2 years ago, I mentioned that a Psak Din was buried with Rav Mordechai Eliyahu whose verdict called for the immediate Redemption of the Jewish people.

There was a recent article about this on Chabad OnLine (Hebrew), then picked up by Kikar (h/t - email from CosmicX) and later picked up in English by YWN that actually shows a copy of what was written and explains how it came to be.

Here are the 2 pages (click on them to enlarge them):

Here is the YWN article:

After the petira of HaGaon HaRav Mordechai Eliyahu ZATZAL there were reports that the gadol hador was buried with a special document.

This week, a new sefer was released, ‘משנתו של הרבי מליובאוויטש’, authored by Rav Meir Elituv. The sefer provides an in-depth look at the years of the late rebbe ZATZAL, including the last ‘yechidus’ with Rav Eliyahu.

According to the Chabad Online report, Rav Elituv proves that behind the Gemaras, and Medrashim that were recited with utter perfection in the room, in actuality, what was taking place was a din torah addressing if arrival of the Geula can immediately be brought about without Klal Yisrael having to suffer.

The rebbe asked Rav Eliyahu to be the dayan in the case, permitting him to present over 40 proofs to back his position while Rav Mordechai, in his capacity as dayan, brought proofs to refute the rebbe’s position.

At the end of this final ‘yechidus’, the dayan told the rebbe that he rules in his favor and the Geula should be ordered “now – immediately”.

The book includes the hand-written p’sak din from Rav Mordechai Eliyahu, signed by 23 rabbonim, (in line with a בית דין בענייני נפשות), most well-known and respected dayanim.

In line with the p’sak of his talmidim, the rav was buried with this p’sak din in his hand.

Just for balance, note what Rav Elyashiv ZT"L answered Rav Menashe Klein ZT"L a year and a half ago.


At Fri Aug 31, 03:42:00 PM 2012, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do we need a balance? Do we need a balance to continue delaying Moshiach's coming? NO!! Hashem needs us to demand Moshiach. He is waiting for all of us to come together as one people in achdus and cry out to Him that we want it NOW. Not next week, month, or next year. Not even tomorrow. We have to beg Hashem we had enough of Galus and demand that he should come NOW.

At Fri Aug 31, 10:39:00 PM 2012, Anonymous Shiloh said...

Annon, looks like haShem is putting the preasure on us. Look at what is surrounding us here in Israel, only to get worse. You are correct, we need to unite. Can we do it, we will have to wait and see if a ring is put on a finger (you will recall in Esther). We had the chance for the easy road, we never took advantage of it, now we have to take the hard road sadly.

Yaak, R Mordechi Eliyahu ZT"L is one I respect. He confirmed what I have been trying to explain to you all about a very touchy subject as being true. This he took with him.

At Sat Sep 01, 08:07:00 PM 2012, Blogger joshwaxman said...


why do we need balance? because otherwise we would be unbalanced. unfortunately, a lot of people posting on these blogs are unbalanced.

it also seems like the Ribono shel Olam sided against this psak din, which was supposed to cause the geulah to come "immediately". this was two years ago.

unless of course it is like that joke: So this guy is talking to God and ask, "Hey God what does 100 million years seem like to you?"

God answered, " One hundred million years ? That's like a second to me."

Then the man ask, "Hey God, what's 100 million dollars seem like to you?"

One hundred million dollars? It seems like a penny to me."

So the guy says, "Hey God could I borrow a penny?"

And God answers, "Sure. Just a second."

yaak, wanna daf-blog?

kol tuv,

At Sat Sep 01, 08:59:00 PM 2012, Blogger Genoism said...

This is a total scam as no one bothers to think just a little. Of this letter was buried with him then how exactly did people get a picture of it? They opened up his grave figuring that he certainly was buried with a note?! Thats ridiculous. Not only that butwhy would u even bury a person with a letter what purpose does that serve....he going to take it with him to shomayim? This whole thing is a pure joke!

At Sat Sep 01, 09:36:00 PM 2012, Blogger joshwaxman said...

presumably they photocopied it before they buried it.

and don't underestimate what people can believe. you (and i) may think it is a pure joke, but others experience a very different flavor of judaism, in which this is quite plausible and makes perfect sense.

At Sun Sep 02, 09:11:00 AM 2012, Anonymous Michali said...

Can someone translate the p'sak din in English?


At Sun Sep 02, 09:25:00 AM 2012, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Three reasons why the psak didn't work

1) It's not the midas hadin thats holding moshiach back, it's the midas harachamim. the midas hadin would have no problem with moshiach coming now, and most of klal yisroel being wiped out as they are not deserving of moshiach.

2) such matters require a beis din of 71 (it's the equivalent of going to war)

3) I don't think the ultimate reason needs to be spelled out.

At Tue Sep 04, 09:03:00 AM 2012, Blogger Genoism said...

Ok but it is still pointless to bury a jew with anything other than his clothing.

Doesn't it seem like a farce to you or is it just me? Bury a jew with a letter and then show that letter to everyone? Why even bother burying it with him then, because saying it was buried with him gives it some sort of special validity?

At Tue Sep 04, 04:27:00 PM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

No, this is no farce. I met Rav Mordechai Eliyahu about 9 times in my life. Four of those times were shiurim. Two of those shiurim were in St. Louis when he was on his way to visit Jonathan Pollard in prison in Marion, IL. Four of those times were in his Beit Knesset in Givat Shaul where if I remember correctly was his personal office. Once was in his home. I can attest that this great man was a Mentsch first and a Talmid Chacham of the highest order second. How many times did he visit Jonathan Pollard in prison, arriving on an international TWA flight in NY and coming directly to St. Louis? One tzaddik traveling overseas to visit another tzaddik sitting in prison. We behaved badly in 5765, really badly. So badly that the Targum Yonatan spends an entire paragraph talking about it when describing the last thing Moshe Rabbeinu saw before he died. So now we will get it the Persian pressure way, the hard way. It is being reported today that by early October Persia will have enough fissionable material for a nuclear bomb. meant to be I guess. So Rav Eliyahu will get his way after lessons in common decency are learned. Hopefully the sheer terror of it all will be enough. That is the Rachmanut after 5765 that we deserve. And after Migron, it is clear that in the last seven years few lessons in common decency have yet been learned.

At Tue Sep 04, 05:05:00 PM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

I should point out that the evacuation of Migron was a bit rushed. It took place about 6 to 8 weeks prior to the Yekev replacement caravan facility's completion. So the question of course is why? If the Yekev neighborhood which I see almost everyday will be complete in about 6 to 8 weeks, why couldn't they simply wait until after Sukkot? Well the answer is now obvious. The Erev Rav knows that this is the end of the road for them. When the missiles start to fly on the Left Coast, over a half million Kadima, Meretz, and Labor voters will head for the interior about ten to 40 miles away, you know, Yesha. And G-d willing after only they will lose their homes, they will seek shelter with those dreaded settlers, the folks that keep them from being popular in the world. It really is all about their popularity, and the EU and US State Dept paychecks that come with that for their leaders. They can't live without it, that is popularity and world public opinion. Well when they show up and find that there are no temporary homes to shelter them because they have torn them all down, they may conclude that perhaps that was not such a good idea in the first place. Teshuvah can sometimes be a really messy process.

At Tue Sep 04, 05:17:00 PM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Ah, I was just looking out my kitchen window while doing the dishes. The lights of Migron are still shining...tonight on the next hill. no people but lots of lights. If I may give a piece of advice to the regime, hold off on destroying the caravans and the beautiful synagogue. You may need the site within the month.... uh for refugees. Of course the good people who lived there for ten to thirteen years may not like it that refugees from Tel Aviv have taken up residence in their homes.

At Tue Sep 11, 04:36:00 PM 2012, Blogger in the vanguard said...

Leave it up to JOSH to pour cold water on the idea of Geulah-now. HE knows better. Better than the Rebbe, better than Rav Eliyah and better than Elitov. What's a matter people - can you not abide by his god called Nature? Do you expect such holy Jews and the Moshiach phenomenon to be supernatural? What, you say Jews can be above nature? Surely you jest. Just ask Josh for confirmation.


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