Wednesday, August 16, 2006

The Land of Magog

Hashem1.net posted a scholarly article on where the land of "Magog" is. (It should be in English soon as well.) It is now available in English here.

His conclusion:

Magog includes the land of southeastern Iran, southern Afghanistan, and much of the western half of Pakistan.

At the end of the article, he also proves that Gog does not necessarily come from Magog. This would mean that "Gog Umagog" is Gog fighting against Magog. This is what many present-day rabbis are saying will be the war of the U.S. against Iran.

Read it here.

17 Comments:

At Wed Aug 16, 09:19:00 PM 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

that's ludicrous

 
At Wed Aug 16, 09:21:00 PM 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm quite sick of hearing rabbis gleefully proclaiming the bitter end of everyone else but those of their own little RW group.

 
At Wed Aug 16, 11:10:00 PM 2006, Blogger yaak said...

I'm quite sick of hearing rabbis gleefully proclaiming the bitter end of everyone else but those of their own little RW group.

Huh? I'm not sure how you got anything remotely close to this from what was said.

 
At Thu Aug 17, 05:05:00 AM 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fantastic Maamar, thanks for the post.

 
At Thu Aug 17, 05:49:00 AM 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The thesis Gog=George gets weakened by this. It kind'a gladdens my heart 'cause it ain't true. George is too kind a man.

Of course, the identification of the conflict between America and Iran/Al-Qaeda as Milchemet Gog uMagog depends on Gog=George.

I think that in this issue the writer, may he be blessed, is still a little too subservient to what some rabbanim have said without giving sources.

 
At Thu Aug 17, 08:11:00 AM 2006, Anonymous Neshama said...

Anonymous:
In what way(s) is George (Bush) a "kind man"?

I also have first-hand knowledge that he is a kind and feeling person, but many people I know think that he's quite the opposite. It would be nice to have examples of what you said. TU

 
At Thu Aug 17, 08:13:00 AM 2006, Anonymous Neshama said...

Yaak, when and where will we be able to find the entire article in English? Thank you for keeping up on their postings.

 
At Thu Aug 17, 10:40:00 AM 2006, Blogger yaak said...

Anonymous,

Gog=George may be weakened, but as I mentioned, he gets out of the problem by citing Rabbi Tanhum Ben-Rabbi Yossef HaYerushalmi. It's by no means dead in the water, and is truly the most logical explanation as far as our eyes can see.

Neshama,

It's now available. I updated my post with a link to it.

 
At Fri Aug 18, 08:34:00 PM 2006, Blogger Judah HaKohain said...

Link to english article appears to be dead.

 
At Sun Aug 20, 03:54:00 AM 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yaak, I see only Hilul HaShem in these Gog=George proclamations.

 
At Sun Aug 20, 09:33:00 AM 2006, Blogger yaak said...

Judah,

I think that that link doesn't work on Shabbat Israel time. Try it again.

Anonymous,

I see no Hillul Hashem. It's been stated so by many tzaddikim. Why do you think it's a Hillul Hashem?

 
At Mon Aug 21, 04:06:00 AM 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am amazed you ask. Only a Navi can say that George Bush is Gog.

If it is not true, it is a false accusation. It certainly is slander, Motsi Shem Ra and what have you.

It is certainly and completely assur to so slander non-Jewish rulers with power over Jews. I assume George laughs about it (a Hillul HaShem in itself), but it might also enrage him, and it certainly enrages some of his supporters.

Therefore, who says that George is Gog without permit of Shamayim endangers Jews, chas v'shalomm, and violates Issur Pikuach Nefesh.

In any case, it does not help if it is said by Jews who are perceived to be Tsadikim. In fact, that makes it much worse. One has to be of an awesome level to say things like this. One has to be a Navi who got permission to speak. As it stands, this is pure Hillul HaShem.

 
At Mon Aug 21, 07:03:00 PM 2006, Anonymous Neshama said...

Yaak, you're a nice guy. I hate to see you challenged like this. Maybe we need to contact someone for their "Torah" opinion. Some people call Bush an anti-s..... However, I don't think he is. He has given Israel, for whatever reason, a gigantic opportunity to "defend themselves plus some". No matter his intention, it was an OPPORTUNITY. The outcome is definitely al pi Hashem, for His reasons alone. We are not living in a world that we have much control over. It appears to be a Chess Game being played in Shaymayim, with the chessboard being the earth. So, of course, we are only guessing. As well as many prophetic insights coming out of Eretz HaKodesh. What does one expect believing people to do? Shut up and be mute?

Bush said a few years ago that he guesses he is starting the war of Gog U'Magog. And he admits that he is being led by god. (not sure who/what he is thinking of) Whatever, he surely knows there is a Higher Being and that this Being is guiding some of his thoughts. What do you call that?

What is so wrong in guessing that IF Bush is Gog, or that the article explains that Gog U'Magog are the conglomerate of peoples in a certain defined area in the M.E. that President Bush might have to topple? I don't see a contradiction, or a slur against Bush. It would only make him in an extremely powerful position, with guidance from Above. That sound positive to me. Any comments?

 
At Mon Aug 21, 08:17:00 PM 2006, Anonymous Other said...

Motsi Shem Ra has nothing to do with Goyim. Even Hafetz Hayim's remark about Goyim in general on Lashon HaRa was inserted to his book due to censorship.

We are living now in a free world (at least those of us in the western world), and one could express his opinion. Gog=George was a remark that was said by too many, not only those that are mentioned on the net.

If we now begin to hide things because of a highly remote possibility that Jews might be offended, we might as well Hass Veshalom throw away half of the Torah, that is deemed racist for many gentiles with no understanding.

Whether Gog is George os not, if someone has such an opinion it should be heard, and if these are Tzadikim who say it, even more.

 
At Thu Aug 24, 06:35:00 AM 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://hashem1.net/?p=365

See? And even this should not be translated into English.

 
At Tue Sep 05, 10:16:00 PM 2006, Anonymous s said...

What people need to understand is that we want peace, but it might be a bumpy journey before we get there.

 
At Fri Sep 29, 01:41:00 PM 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did you know that it is documented, and his family keeps trying to hide it. HIS GRANDFATHER WAS COMMITTING TREASON with the NAZIS during WW2. that is where a lot of their money came from, then later under daddy Bush with the S& L scandal. There are articles in major magazines, and historical documents to prove this.

 

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