Gog Umagog Scenario Becomes More Likely Due to "Gaddafi Precedent"
I was pointed to this article by Frank Gaffney Jr. over at the Center for Security Policy website which lays out the scenario how the US and coalition forces may want to attack Israel (ח"ו). He says that the "Gaddafi Precedent" can show us that the U.S., led by President Obama and 3 female officials, who all played a role in going after the Libyan dictator, are all anti-Israel, and would have no problem setting up a scenario of the U.S. and its coalition partners attacking Israel (ח"ו).
Like I quoted in passing earlier, first comes Daniel 11:40 (which may have just been fulfilled) and then comes Daniel 11:41, where the King of the North (i.e. Gog) comes against the Land of Israel.
Hashem should protect us.
Hat tip: Batya
posted by yaak @ 3/22/2011 09:55:00 AM
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17 Comments:
Another year, another Gog.
Time to just do our job and leave off all this speculation.
I agree with you - we should do our job. But I can't ignore the speculation of a Meisi'ah Lefi Tumo (perhaps) without commenting on it.
As your comment proves, we Geula-bloggers have cried wolf enough times to create a Heseih Hada'at for the main population. However, we really thought the wolf was coming then and we do again now. Those who wish to prepare will do so. Those who don't won't.
i doubt the US would bomb israel like it's bombing libya, but i think this war will further spark, rather than calm regional instability, which could lead to a more hostile nation using israel as their blackmail LO ALEINU H"V
I have been talking about this scenario for months now. Except one point, the Settlers will be allowed to leave the new state to go get food, work etc. But the UN forces won't allow them back in to the new country as they don't have a visa. This is the least dangerous to us. Of course there will be bands of baboons who will commit the unimaginable as usual. Either way we are in for a rough summer.
These consistently wrong predictions are absurd.
First it was Bush Sr and Desert Storm and people believed "Gog and Magog" was the Iraq-US war.
Then it was Clinton and the NWO conspiracy Israel-palistenian peace conspiracy leading to Gog and Magog.
Then people claimed Bush JR was "Gog" Remember - "George" was supposedly "Gog" and he was going to invade.
Now its poor Obama's turn. Give Barack a break already.
Some people cite to Rav Lazer Brody who cites to some Rav that claims the Gog and Magog military conflict ALREADY happened and now its just the spiritual war.
I think we should concentrate on To speculate and guess is absurd based on all the experts' track record of nonsensical predictions.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=278685
This article says Libya was a "test run" for a new doctrine sponsored by Powers and George Soros.
Dear Test Run,
George Soros? Mysterious Powers?
When this proves as foolish as the rest of the nutty predictions you will think of some new twist.
All the conspiracy nuts, people claiming Obama is Gog, etc, try to improve yourselves rather than trying to be prophets. You people have been so wrong for so long.
I never was convinced that either Bush or Clinton was Gog. But Obama seems to be a much bigger possibility. Look at the Hebrew text in Ezekiel 38:2. If you start at the word "Nessi" which today means president, starting with the last letter alef, Obama is encoded in 7 letter skips. And the word after "Nessi" is the word "Rosh" which has a numerical value of 501, the exact same value as Obama's full name. That is a double encoding of "President Obama" in Ezekiel 38:2-3! Are you seriously saying that that's a random coincidence?! It would be much more likely to buy two winning lottery tickets than for those encodings to be there by chance.
I think Yaak is right on the mark, we have to start remembering that this world is only a reflection or stage of the Real world (Olam Haba). Right now the curtain is closing and is being set for the “New” stage. The Chofetz Chaim said during his time that we are already in the time of Gog Uma Gog and that was 100 years ago! The world is a totally different place nowadays. Whoever thought at that time, that the whole world would care so much about Eretz Yisroel and that the Arab nation would be one of the most powerful nations around? Well the prophets did and wrote about it to prepare us for this time. The more things heat up the more spiritually prepared we need be. So, thank you Yaak for your continuous informative insights.
The last 2 comments are also wrong.
As to Obama being "encoded" we all know that many other leaders have supposedly been "found" and they were neither Gog or any other attacker of Israel. I recall various Russian leaders being encoded I recall President Nixon was described as "the King of the North" I remember so many foolish nonsense over the years. Obama Gog ?? Please - after Obama you'll find some other code with Obama's successor.
As to the Arabs being "powerful" - really?
Israel kicked the azz of Gaza 2 years ago and not one Arab nation lifted a finger. Even Lezbo Nasaralah didnt dare. You call this "powerful". I call them pussy.
And the US military runs all over the moslems (Afgan, Iraq, now Lybia) and where are the "powerful" Arab nations.
If those of you who are so convinced that "this time" its for real would only think and not follow you would realize that all of the signs were also present many many years ago with huge earthquakes, terrible wars, genocides, volcanic eruptions, tzunamis, etc.
Yes, the Gog Magog WILL take place. BH we have the Glorious Land of Israel and YES Mashiach will arrive, the temple WILL be built and the dead WILL arise. BUT WE DONT KNOW WHEN SO STOP THESE ABSURD PREDICTIONS OF "IMMEDIATE" REDEMPTION WHICH ONLY LEAD TO DISSAPOINTMENT WHEN THEY DO NOT MATERIALIZE.
Common Sense et al,
Yes, many people predicted Mashiah long ago and were wrong, including Ribbi Akiva.
We have an obligation of expecting Mashiah every day, per the Rambam.
There is nothing wrong and everything right with making present-day scenarios fit with Aharit Hayamim prophecies. It's showing Hashem's Hand in our era of Hester Panim.
Is it true that if the predictions don't pan out that there may be disappointment? Yes. However, those who will be disappointed should work on their Emuna to the extent that they will wait expectantly for the next scenario. This is what I've done since I started this blog. I'm sorry if some people aren't on the level to have that kind of Emuna. It's something they'll need to work on.
I'm doing my best to show Hashem's Hand in this Hester Panim era and trying to fulfill the Rambam's directive to expect Mashiah every day. If you don't like it or can't handle the disappointment, either work on your own Emuna or don't visit this blog.
Time to Prepare, thank you for your comment.
Common sense- It's not just that Obama is encoded, it's where and the way he's encoded. It is linked to the word president in Ezekiel 38:2. I challenge you to find encodings of any past leaders in such a precise way in major biblical prophecies like Ezekiel 38. I'm not saying it's him for sure, but I think he's the biggest possibility as of yet.
To Daniel: I think you have been reading too many weird things. Obama the "World President" in Ezekial?? Funny there is NO MENTION of a "world president" only of a leader of several states looking to attack Israel. There is no reference that this leader will be universally accepted. So what are you talking about? The passage you quote has NO reference to a "world president.
The passage references a leader from a nation from the FAR NORTH who is the chief of Mesehch and Tubal and they want to attack to get riches (a spoil) from Israel. The pasukim immediately following make it abundantly clear many countries are NOT INVOLVED in this multi state group and OBJECT to the attack on Israel. So much for your "world president" scenario,
And you think this proves the group leader is Obama ??? The US is from the far North?? Really??
My goodness there have been various groups of nations throughout history. Look at the wars described in Breishit - the 2 groups listed in the story of Avraham and the kidnapping of Lot (the kings of Sdom rebelling from Chederlomer). So groups of states and coaltions have been with us for a LONG time. So what - a group of states to be led by the Prince of Meshech and Tubal will lead to a failed attack on Israel - and somehow you link Obama to this. I didnt know the US is from the far North maybe you should brush up on geography. Get a life and stop misleading people. I wont respond to anymore of your nonsense. Anyone reading Ezekial will arrive at their own conclusions.
Common sense-I'm not interested in arguing. Time will tell what will happen. But apparently you believe in coincidences because you think that the Obama encoding is a coincidence.
but Daniel you never rebut what commonsense had to say. You never refute his/her argument. Really, how can you think Obama is Gog.
Does he rule from a country "in the far North"? No.
Is he leading a coalition of nations listed in Ezekiel (including among others Libya!! no he is attacking them!!).
So your thinking that Obama is Gog is, IMO, totally off base and 100% contrary to the passages you reference to support your belief.
Gog and magog are the united nations. The will say it is we who gave the land to the jews and we who choose to give it to the arabs . At that point great strife will occur amongest the nations. God will turn Nature itself against the places that vote against israel as is happening now. Gog is the us( roofer) magog is what it created and houses the un (roof)
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