Monday, December 03, 2012

"Breslov for Shas" Started by Rav Schick




Ladaat and Kikar report that Rav Eliezer Shlomo Schick, aka the Tzaddik of Yavne'el, started a "Breslov for Shas" organization to persuade Breslovers to vote for Shas.  He wrote a letter stating his opinion, which reads (translated), in part:
You know that I don't get involved in any politics because our whole raison d'être is solely to reveal and publicize the truth of Hashem's existence, for it is only for this reason that we had descended to this world, but to mobilize for the Shas Movement is another matter completely because it is not a political party, but rather "to return the crown to its old state".  Maran Hagaon Hamufla Ribbi Ovadia Yosef Shlit"a established the Shas Movement to raise up and elevate the status of Edot Hamizrah, who were, and still are, very much downcast due to accursed racism, etc.  Therefore, it is a Mitzvah incumbent upon each and every one of our dear friends to be Moser Nefesh and to help me personally that I will succeed in this holy mission for the success of the Shas Movement.

35 Comments:

At Mon Dec 03, 03:14:00 PM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Whoa! Shas is not a political party, really?? I understand the entire picture with Shas. It is a movement for Torah, Chessed, and Ma'asim Tovim in Sephardi Jewish life here in E.Y. It is more than just a political party...But it is still first and foremost a political party whose power in large part depends on the number of seats that it gets in the Knesset and whether or not it is needed to build a ruling coalition. Sorry, I don't mean to be confused. And how does Aryeh Deri fit into this movement if it is not a political party? Thanks for explaining in advance.

 
At Mon Dec 03, 03:32:00 PM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

By the way, Politics is not necessarily a dirty word. The fact that Shas is a political party does not mean anything bad. Politics can be the art of the possible if the system is willing, and the money is actually there. and as long as one does not sell one's soul for that money, the political route is by no means wrong to obtain it.

 
At Mon Dec 03, 04:08:00 PM 2012, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And what if he sells other peoples souls ???? Is it any justification there?
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At Tue Dec 04, 01:42:00 AM 2012, Blogger 10rainbow said...

i think its awful to write this about rabbi deri or any jew for matter. as a noahide i am still reeling from the shock that a first time gay divorce took place in the holy land. lets not add to the delay of the mosiach arriving by speaking loshon hara. its a very serious accusation, selling jewish souls. please, lets work together and see only the good in each other. many of us are reaching our limits with the world reeling with so much negativity. let not our words also be such.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 02:15:00 AM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Aryeh Deri is a politician with political beliefs that he believes can be attained using the political process. How is that lashon hara? Shas is a political party, and Aryeh Deri is part of it. I believe that my second comment clarified that that was fine and dandy. Why does everyone assume that politicians are always corrupt? Abraham Lincoln for starters was a politician who never lost his soul. So it is possible to remain a fine Mentsch and to be a politician. One must work hard on themselves because yes, the political system can lend itself to corruption, but good people can remain good if they work on it. And you think that either Mashiach ben Ephraim or ben David will not be politicians? Of course they will be even if they are tending to the spiritual life of the Am.

Secondly, there is no such thing as a Jewish, Muslim, or Xtian homosexual union here in Israel. And no such contracts are given here. Yet, homosexual couples come here from jurisdictions like Canada, New York, and Boston for instance with their marriage contracts, and yes the State of Israel has recognized these contracts if the marriages were performed in those jurisdictions. So there is no such thing of course as a halakhic or Sharia divorce here between homosexuals. It would be ridiculous to ask these couples to go to a Rav and for one man to give a Get to the other man. What? If they don't get Gets, then they are agunim? Is there such a word as agunim when the marriage was between two men? So the court system here I believe has found a way for these people to end their legal but sinful union in a civil manner. Perhaps they will not go abroad again to get remarried to someone else. I see nothing wrong with this, and perhaps only good will come out of it.

I am not responsible for the comment of anonymous. You will have to ask him what he meant.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 03:09:00 AM 2012, Blogger Daniela said...

From the newspapers e.g.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/court-grants-divorce-to-gay-couple-for-first-time-in-israeli-history.premium-1.481951#

I'll paste a quote from the article, which clarifies the couple was in fact married with full legal effects. And of course, Israel is under no obligation to recognize marriages performed abroad under local law. I welcome anyone to try to go abroad and marry a young woman who is underage according to Israeli jurisdiction, and then try returning.

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Judge Yehezkel Eliyue said he based his decision on the High Court of Justice's instruction to the state to register the marriages of five same-sex couples who had tied the knot in Canada.
"Once the High Court of Justice ordered the registration of the marriage, the possibility cannot be considered that petitioners who have agreed to end their marriage should remain tied to each other," the court ruled. "This runs contrary to the rights and liberties of the individual; it goes against Basic Laws and the basic values of justice and equality."
Eliyue said in the Even-Kama case it was only natural that the court would make use of the authority it has been given to dissolve the marriage.
"Under these circumstances the rabbinic court lacks the authority to hear the petition, and in any case is not the proper forum to discuss it," he wrote.
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Oh and by the way, most if not all requests for permanent residence filed by the Palestinian male partner of an Israeli, get quickly approved, while in a similar situation where an Israeli man has a Palestinian female partner, or even a Palestinian wife to whom was married abroad, paperwork evaluation takes years, and in the end many are routinely denied for security reasons, especially *but not only* if the Israeli is jewish.

10rainbow I believe you should talk to a rabbi in person, perhaps you can bring him a printout of this page, and ask him if he believes as you do, that the slightest reference to corruption is lashon hara which delays Moshiach, or perhaps, it isn't.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 03:30:00 AM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

We have Erev Rav court system here that of course would like to destroy everything that is decent and holy. There is nothing new about that here. Granting divorces to homosexual couples married abroad is a gap that needed to be filled. Rabbinic courts have no jurisdiction over such nonsense. And frankly I could care less what they think they have accomplished or for that matter HaAretz's spin on it. The court system here is the first Erev Rav institution that will be completely destroyed, gutted through and through. And we are very close, much closer than they know it, for that to come true.

Yet, none of this should excuse not making Aliyah which is likely your real issue about this. You should desire to live with idolaters in Eretz Yisrael over living in a holy community outside of the Land. And in Eretz Yisrael today, one does not need in any stretch of the imagination, to live in a city with idolaters or with those who engage in abominable behavior. Separate yourself from them as best as you can. They will either be disappearing or doing full teshuvah very soon. Your teshuvah in Chu"l is to refrain from speaking badly (lashon hara) about Eretz Yisrael and the scum who run the courts here in order to dissuade others from making Aliyah. And to desire to be here if for whatever reason you cannot come because of extenuating circumstances beyond your control

 
At Tue Dec 04, 03:54:00 AM 2012, Blogger Daniela said...

I asked my Rabbi and he said NO. What part of NO don't you understand? It is weeks you are insisting I should not follow Daat Torah, G-d forbid. Is that your version of Judaism? That we follow the internet, not our rabbis and our minhag?

I have never dissuaded anyone from making aliyah nor have I ever encouraged anyone to make aliyah. Those who are considering aliyah or any other major life decisions, have to ask their rabbi, nothing more and nothing less, and afterwards, have to do what he says. Do you agree with that, or are you suggesting that people are better off following rumors on the internet? Some of them fueled by people who have been put in cherem by the Kehillah, or by ignoramuses who falsely pose as Rabbis?

Who will take responsibility for giving out advice and not being qualified? I have asked daat torah before moving to Israel, and it was the end of march 2003 if you must know: but I was told to go, and off I went. I stayed as long as I could, then I asked daat Torah again, and when I had to leave, I have received help. When I had to leave again from one country to another country in Chu"l, I received help. It was not much, but it did help, and I did not need to get into debt. Will you help those who follow your advice, if for them it does not work out? I know people who have been advised to move to EY when they have the funds, and who lack the funds. Please by all means, contribute, which incidentally, I try to do.

May I ask what is your job in the Shomron? The economy is not in good shape. Are you able to hire people with your business? If you want people to make aliyah, that's what you could do and help. But all I read from you is, sell everything, move to EY, where the country can't even take care of its poor people. Let me repeat my position: I am convinced people who consider aliyah have to ask their rabbi and follow what he says.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 03:56:00 AM 2012, Blogger Daniela said...

^^^ 2002. We flied just after the Netanya bombings, just before Pesach.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 04:13:00 AM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

I have a start up business here in the Shomron. It is meant to do well as the world changes drastically by Pesach. If you have been reading my blog, I firmly believe that we are in the famous "nine months". The world as it has existed is in somewhat violent or drastic change right now. A world war is on the verge of starting in what has been so far a very bloody Syrian Civil War which became infinitely more bloody "mysteriously" right after Tisha B'Av. So my new business is geared toward helping American refugees find certain products here in Israel when they arrive. G-d willing many will get out before it hits the fan, and many are trying hard right now. They see the results already of what a 2nd term of Obamanation will look like in the very near future. Yes, ask one's own Rav and a few Rabbeim here in Eretz Yisrael. Make your own decision based on that. Rabbe'im in America will often say that "they don't know. Aliyah is a personal decision." So find a Rav to ask here in EY who is aligned with your hashkafah, and take his advice. I asked Rav Yosef Scheinberger zt"l and the Amshinover Rebbe about moving to the Shomron. So I went by their advice. Plus Kochav Yakov is really a suburb of Yerushalayim and would simply be just that in a normal world.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 04:44:00 AM 2012, Blogger Daniela said...

Yes Dov I read your blog and I wish very much you are right, as I am sure everyone does. I was told many Gedolim from all paths are expecting big things in the short-term future, but it is not certain that it'll be a positive development for Yidden G-d forbid, nor that it will immediately bring Moshiach. We should try our very best to cancel the decree that is hanging upon us all.

You have asked and you have been answered *you* should be in the Shomron. I have never suggested you and your family leave, G-d forbid. You should have much success. Everyone needs to ask a question about themselves and their situation.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 06:04:00 AM 2012, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dov you are planning to make money on misfortune of your fellow Jews. Is this why you advise everyone to sell their belongings. If there is pogroms in USA and persecution by Obama, how will you import american goods. Or do you have an inventory to move.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 07:29:00 AM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Listen, please do not come with misfortune. Convert all immovable assets to silver, and come with kavod. Don't wait for misfortune. I am not seeking on making a mint off the misfortune of other Jews. But through your rage at my hashkafah, please take precautions with your life. Obama is in last weeks parsha: Vaeila Hamelachim Asher Malchu BeEretz Edom....before there was a king that reigned over the Children of Israel. Unscramble the Roshei HaTeivot, and you get Obama's name as it appears in every Israeli newspaper, secular and religious. Aleph, Vav, Bet, Aleph, Mem, Hey. It is up to you how you want to respond to that message from the Written Torah that Obama is truly the End...of Edom. As written on this blog, the maximum amount of time that this Primordial Snake will rule is seven years even if Edom falls in year five which is in 5773. He is half Yishmael so that he can make it two more years into galut Yishmael too if two or three extra years extra are decreed for galut Yishmael. Where do you want to be when that happens?

My business is entirely above board and will serve all Israelis here too, including all the Americans and Canadians living in Israel already. But I apparently made a mistake by not saying bli ayin hara, because there are those who will stay in America until, G-d forbid, something else besides comparatively Gentle Hurr. Sandy comes knocking at the door. So bli ayin hara, I am starting this new business venture. And I pray that you come with kavod. For Daniela's sake, ask a Rav here in Eretz Yisrael, preferably one that knows what spiritual time this is. If you don't want to speak with Rav Shalom Arush or Rav Lazer Brody, email Rav Bar Nachman whose email I posted on a previous post on this blog. This post is not dedicated to this subject. So continue this discussion on my blog or on the previous post on this blog about Hurricane Sandy.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 08:04:00 AM 2012, Blogger Daniela said...

Enough! Please stop insulting my Rabbi. I have asked my Rabbi. He says NO. I don't care whom you or anyone else follows. I don't even care if this or that rabbi is reliable, I was taught we respect all people, and that even in front of a stupid reform "rabi", we give him honor, lest his misguided followers lose their kvod harav, which is very, very serious. You follow someone who is telling you what to do - fantastic. Leave everyone else alone. You have no authority in telling people to sell everything and make aliyah, as none of the Gedolim has said so, and you sure don't know better than our Gedolim, do you? No one has suggested that there will be pogroms in USA and we have to sell everything and make aliyah, nobody, not Litvish, not Chassidish, not Sefaradi, not anyone else, apart from a few internet rabbis (who, by the way, appear to be distancing from your words). Of course we all know there may be pogroms anywhere and at any time. Or we may die of whatever reason. It was sealed on Yom Kippur.


As for your business, I have already wished you success. Obviously, it should not be G-d forbid because of others' misfortune, but because of great financial success for every single Yid and boundless inflow of cash to Israel, which should allow consumers, old and new customers, to enjoy buying from you.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 08:19:00 AM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Where has Rav Lazer Brody distanced himself from my words? He plainly told a reader to this blog in the comments section of his blog that the word that Rav Leibowitz used was worse than pogroms. How is that distancing himself from me? Do you really want him or me to use that word? You can take it up with Rav Leibowitz zt"l if you don't like his prediction which has already come 2/3rds to pass. The pogroms prediction was the third of three predictions. But you are in Europe. So the prediction might not apply to you anyway. It is a short boat ride from Italy or Greece to Haifa. G-d bless you Daniela. My previous comment was not even addressed to you.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 08:48:00 AM 2012, Blogger Daniela said...

OK I indeed misunderstood part of the comment as addressed to me. Apologies. But still we don't suggest to Yidden that G-d forbid their Rabbi is not speaking words of truth, and that they should seek advice from someone else in EY. Last time I checked, we follow our father and grandfather's rabbi and minhag and learn from them and their children and students, or, if female, from our husband's after we marry. We have a mesorah, except for geirim who take the mesorah of the rabbi who converts them. Our Rabbis are not careless, they are not misleading us, they are not G-d forbid bad people, and we have no reason to seek advice from others, in EY or anywhere else. Real Rabbis, if we exceptionally have to ask them advice, will inquire about our family's minhag and the rabbi we follow, and pasken accordingly. Real Rabbis never advise something that goes against what someone's Rebbe or Rav says. If a real Rabbi was aware that there will be G-d forbid, pogroms in Brooklyn, they would go and strengthen the people in Brooklyn, and if anything, they would move to Brooklyn, like many real Rabbis did in Europe, staying with Yidden and strengthening them as long as it was decreed for them to be alive. A real Rabbi knows there is nothing, absolutely nothing, that can be done against a decree. Our year has been sealed on Yom Kippur. But, refusing to believe this is the case, deluding ourselves that EY is some sort of magic shield, even / especially in the face of our Rabbis who are advising Yidden not to leave (France, UK, Sandy-affected areas in USA) will not help us if we have to die, and if we have been sealed for life, it will not weigh in our favour when we are judged again on next Rosh Hashana.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 09:41:00 AM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

We know from Chazal, that one who changes his place changes his mazal. The decrees from Tishrei are conditional on the place we might be in, especially if the other place is Eretz Yisrael at the End of Days. There is a test which can still be passed to choose of one's own volition to be here even if life in the desert is filled with amenities. Consider it teshuvah for rejecting Eretz Yisrael 3323 years ago when ten spies scared you into staying in the desert. Teshuvah even during the year after Tishrei of this sort can mollify or even eliminate an evil decree. We are not Muslims. Our destinies are not written in stone. The Vilna Gaon called Islam the (el even) for that reason because they believe that Din is written in stone. Xtianity as the el eitz can be discussed another time. So you change your place and you can change your destiny.

I am in no position to challenge your rabbis. But I personally would not follow any Rabbi who was not visibly upset over the geirush from Gush Katif in 5765 in the months leading up to the geirush. Whom you choose to follow is your own business. G-d bless.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 10:25:00 AM 2012, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dov, do you know where you will be in 30 days from now, to tell people about 9 month period?

--Tsaddik Nistar

 
At Tue Dec 04, 10:26:00 AM 2012, Blogger Daniela said...

Good for you if you know people who are capable of rescinding death sentences, and who are capable of determining when this should be done and when it should not. I wonder if they are on the internet, which somehow I doubt. Now let me ask you a question, those same people, who claim to have cared so much for the people in Aza, were they not capable of rescinding the expulsion decree? Did they not care, despite their show of "visible upsetness", and willingly let the expulsion happen? Or were they impotent and powerless? Either way, if they could not help with a controversial government decision, how will they help when the angel of death show up?

 
At Tue Dec 04, 11:48:00 AM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

To the one who calls himself, the Hidden Tzaddik: Yes, I am aware that we live on this earth from mouth to hand, not hand to mouth as the gentile world would say. Poteach Eth Yadeicha (Open Your Hand) which comes from the Roshei HaTeivot PeH Yud (mouth of HaShem). So we exist from Chodesh to chodesh with G-d's loving Grace, from one paycheck to the next.

Yet, practically speaking it takes at least three to four months to plan and execute a successful Aliyah. So if you want to be here by Pesach, you have to start planning and executing right now.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 12:30:00 PM 2012, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You did not answer my question, where you will be in 30 days from now, do you know, or you know what Zohar means about pregnancy of Mashiah and its days?

--Tsaddik Nistar

 
At Tue Dec 04, 12:32:00 PM 2012, Anonymous Anonymous said...

what poteyah et yadeha has to do with 30 days and 9 month?

--Tsaddik Nistar

 
At Tue Dec 04, 12:51:00 PM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

The Nine months is widely understood as the nine month process during which the entire world comes against Yerushalayim to divide it. It is a nine month process where at the end of that process the entire world is judged for engaging in that folly. According to the Zohar's own chronology, the nine months began on Tisha B'Av 5772 with the conception of the Geulah that comes nine months later. With Bibi sticking by the E1 plan today which effectively prevents a contiguous PA State all the way to the Temple Mount, he has angered courts of world public opinion, and they will soon enough take action (after the War in Syria leaves two kings to perish).

As far as your personal question about where I will be in the next 30 days, why are you asking? As I said, we live with the bread that comes from the Mouth of G-d month by month. In Eretz Yisrael that is often yeish m'ayin. In Chutz LaAretz that is always Yeish m'Yeish.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 01:02:00 PM 2012, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think you understand what Zohar really means , that is why I asked you if you even know where you will be in 30 days. I think it is going to be a very different olam in EY.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 01:06:00 PM 2012, Blogger Daniela said...

Our enemies have no need to take action. The draft laws, not our enemies, are bringing decrees upon us. No Rabbi has suggested we start dancing and buy new clothing to meet Moshiach for Pesach. They have told me very different words.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 01:14:00 PM 2012, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good, so what is difference to tell people to move from their places rahter finish their tikkun and not adding more worries for them and thier families.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 01:25:00 PM 2012, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are not telling the truth. Why set up a new business if Moshiach is coming before Pesach.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 01:25:00 PM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

We are now approximately half way into the nine months. In the last 30 to 35 days there has been and this is a partial list

1. one of the strangest massive storms in history: Hurricane Sandy

2. The re-election of the 11th horn dude from Sefer Daniel in large part because he looked Presidential because of Hurr. Sandy

3. The Gaza War

4. The loss by Bibi of the Dynasty of Shaul on the 8th day of that war in accordance with Shmuel Aleph 13 when he offered up a ridiculous Peace Offering because he wanted to play by the world's rules of engagement in times of war

5. The election of almost the entire Feiglin list four and five days later because of Shaul's surrencder

6. The UN vote to establish Palestine and to divide Yerushalayim on the anniversary of the Partition Plan on Nov. 29th, 1947....with hopes that such a state will become a reality by May 14th, 2013.

7. For new internal political reasons, Bibi is now forced to take on the entire world by proposing the E-1 plan for zoning and planning the day after that vote. The internal reasons are the Feiglin list from within Likud and Naftali Bennett and Michael Ben Ari from without Likud. Elections scheduled for the 11th and 12th of Shvat.

8. The Syrian War which blew up on Tisha B'Av to 5000 people dying per month has suddenly taken at turn for the worse again as it becomes clear that Assad is now putting together the components for sarin gas to use against the rebels. If NATO gets involved to protect the rebels, both Russia and Persia will attack Turkey on two separate fronts. Then NATO will move to close the Bosporus to the Russian Navy. Russia needs to get into the Mediterranean port of Tartus, Syria with half of its Navy boxed into the Black Sea. So Russia's entire fleet will need to push through to break NATO's blockade of the Bosporus....

You think that I don't know what time it is? Yes, this could all blow up in the next 30 days if the last 30 days are an indication of the next 30 days. Did I mention the Fiscal Cliff in the United States which is now bound to happen? The Primordial Snake seems to love chaos and is doing nothing to really negotiate with Congress. He is all smiles and relaxing with regular rounds of golf. Congress recesses for Xmas on ....December 21st. No deal by Dec. 21st and what happens? Do you know? neither do any of us for sure.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 01:43:00 PM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

The answer to why to come now: There is no guarantee that ben David comes immediately on the heels of the 9 months. We could have three years of Mashiach ben Ephraim and Malkhut Yishmael which will fill in the vacuum as Rome (Edom) collapses at the end of the nine months. According to Medrash Sefer Eliyahu, Persia will use this opportunity of the vacuum created by Rome's collapse to wax mightily through the Shmittah year 5775. And I have no idea how your gentile neighbors will respond to the collapse of their civilization during the three year interim before Ben David shows up in year 8. It is your call, and ask all the Rabbis that you want about what you should do.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 02:01:00 PM 2012, Blogger Daniela said...

How many times do I need to repeat? I have already asked. I was told NO, and actually, I was warned, ve hamevin yavin.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 02:03:00 PM 2012, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Here is Ya'ak's own post on Galut Yishmael which comes at the same time that the star of Mashiach ben Ephraim has risen because of the Fall of Rome in 5773.

http://yeranenyaakov.blogspot.co.il/2012/11/rav-shmueli-on-yishmael-and-geula.html

Will G-d curtail the pain of the end of year 5, 6 and 7 by curtailing Galut Yishmael or by shortening it? No one knows, and I won't guess either. But he poses it as a possibility at the end of his post.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 02:06:00 PM 2012, Anonymous Anonymous said...

We know the answer; Torah and mitsvot will protect us. Shehina is always with their children who keep all Torah. With complete Emuna we will greet Mashiah Tsidkeinu in Near future, No matter where you are.

--Tsaddik Nistar

 
At Tue Dec 04, 02:09:00 PM 2012, Blogger Daniela said...

Many people are leaving EY, contrary to what you say. Yidden! Support a Torah scholar, help him relocate or support with cash and legal help and PR those who are willing to go to jail. They are our only protection! Don't listen to false prophets, they want us to be destroyed with them, G-d forbid. Soon there will be nothing left of them.

 
At Tue Dec 04, 06:28:00 PM 2012, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those who know don't say, those who say don't know.

 
At Wed Dec 05, 08:37:00 AM 2012, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Democracy is intrinsecally evil and corrupt.

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/148094/Shas-Asifa-Ends-in-Violence-.html

 

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