posted by yaak @ 1/20/2013 02:34:00 AM
What are your thought on Rav Yosef's rant against Naftali Bennett? This jpost article doesn't even quote the half of ithttp://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=300175
There was no such rant against Naftali Bennet that I saw. I saw the video here. He doesn't mention Bennet at all. And don't you think that if there were more juicy details that Jpost would have posted them?What he said was exactly what they wrote - that he was against civil marriages and public transportation on Shabbat - views that some members of Bayit Hayehudi support - and that therefore one who votes for them is Kofer Batorah.
actually Maran was reffering to bennet when he said "little kipa the size of and eye" as you know Maran paskens that a yarie shamyim should wear a large kipa
And you agree that anyone who votes Bayit Yehudi is a kofer baTorah? Gee, there are an awful lot of rabbis here who are supporting that party--including my own!
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/153294/R%E2%80%99-Ovadia%3A-Bayit-HaYehudi-is-a-Bayit-of-Goyim.htmlMay we soon see the demise of all enemies of Torah, amen.
The Lubavitcher Rebbe, zt'l, advised against voting for Chareidi parties who have repeatedly remained in the government coalition, thereby helping the coalition ceding land for 'peace' at the expense of Jewish lives: "Although there are obviously many other considerations in promoting Torah observance than this one, Torah rules clearly that “pikuach nefesh [danger to life] overrides the entire Torah” (Yoma 82a). As the Rebbe said many times, if one has a choice between a government grant to support Yeshivos, build shuls and mikva’os, and a matter related to securing the Land of Israel, one should forgo the government grant and not compromise on Jewish safety (see Karasi Ve’ein Oneh, pp. 378, 405, 463, etc.). On another occasion (ibid. p. 473), the Rebbe spoke very harshly, declaring that “one cannot base education for Torah and fear of Heaven on funds stained with Jewish blood. Not only is it forbidden to build Yeshivos with such funds, or to teach students fear of Heaven with such funds, it is even forbidden to build a bathroom with such funds (see Avodah Zarah 17a).”Rather, the meaning of charedi in our time is simple: Vote for parties whose platform includes a clear, principled opposition to any involvement whatsoever in such treacherous schemes, and whose candidates have demonstrated a consistent example of doing so in their public career."Read more: http://a-farbrengen.blogspot.com/2013/01/on-voting-in-elections-in-land-of-israel.html
Yeah right and we should R"L believe the Lubavitcher Rebbe would R"L advise to vote for evangelical xians, or that he would R"L insult the Gedolim of his time, some of whom strongly opposed zionism, mind you, I am not using the word "disagree", I am referring to the despicable insults you attribute him, by warping and quoting out of context his words. Actually his father-in-law was opposed to zionism. Are you trying to tell us the Lubavitcher Rebbe spoke in such terms R"L about the Previous Rebbe? Seriously mg you have no shame in attempting to use the words of a huge gadol and the words of the deceased, in order to further your agenda? One last thing mg, may I ask, are you a Lubavitcher? because, if by any chance, the answer is in the negative....
Oslo cost Jewish lives. period. Thousands died and tens of thousands are maimed for life, still alive but maimed for life. Body parts from bus explosions had to be collected miles from the original bombings by Zaka volunteers. Anyone who would support another Oslo is a raving lunatic. My wife and I have paid enough Shiva calls on survivors from the Oslo War. Frankly I would be sick and tired of doing that again. First and foremost I pray that there is not a single observant Jew who would support another self-inflicted mass murder campaign again. I believe that Rav Ovadia Yosef has already conceded this and now recognizes that Oslo was a serious error, and I hope that his number two, Aryeh Deri, now thinks likewise too. A public statement recognizing this emet always helps to clarify. A profuse apology for the error is even better. Yes, the Disengagement was even worse, but Shas had no part to play in that insanity. Lessons by Rav Ovadia and Eli Yishai had already been learned. And Rav Ovadia was one of the first vocal opponents of the Disengagement catastrophe. Baruch HaShem. I wish that I could have said the same for others who had not yet learned from the Oslo catastrophe. No more Shiva calls please because of lunacy. Please. We don't need someone as forward thinking as the last Lubavitcher Rebbe to figure this out for us. We have enough 20/20 hindsight. By the way, I saw a video recently of the previous Lubav. Rebbe blessing Mayor Ron Nachman's plans for his little village of Ariel 25 years ago. It was awesome. Ron Nachman zt"l. May his family be comforted by the Omnipresent amongst the mourners of Tzion and Yerushalayim.On the issue of Ayelet Shaked's original statement on civil marriages, she was forced to retract it when she was shown her own party's platform. The Bayit Yehudi platform is 100% against mixed marriages. If two people aren't Jewish, they can then have a Civil Marriage. Best to keep the tradition of doing it in Cyprus in my humble opinion. At least in Cyprus there are no homosexual marriages either.
By the way, I think that Eli Yishai is one class act, a true decent gentleman. I am glad that he is still number one in Shas. I pray that Aryeh Deri follows suit. I am sure that we have all learned from the greatest self-inflicted catastrophe in human history, "the Peace Process with the invented people". It is dead so that no more Jews have to suffer from it. If Newt Gingrich can figure that out, I am sure lamdanim all over the world can figure it out far better than Newt. It is a kal veChomer.
Here is the video of how the Rebbe's bracha was fulfilled four or five years after the original bracha when Ariel had become a city of 20,000 Jews by Tishrei of 5752. I would wonder if there is an original copy of the bracha from four or five years before this video when he originally blessed Ron Nachman's plans.http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TB_khjit9ns#!These videos are real treasures. The last Lubavitcher Rebbe made history with almost every person he met.
"Others who had not yet learned from the Oslo catastrophe" are you referring to Rabbi Elyashiv? We have not seen mass murders, not most of us anyway. Those with a tattoo, they have seen mass murders.
Arafat murdered more Jews than anyone since the Shoah. Within one week of Oslo being signed, when the ink was not even dry, he was in South Africa calling for one million martyrs to liberate Jerusalem. Within one week he had already broken the Treaty. And he murdered Jews in bunches too. I always looked at him as the "headless jackass" because of the pasuk: Im lo Tifdeh, VeArafto: If you don't redeem it, you must decapitate (the jackass). So it fit him essence. Plus the Arabic word Intifada (to redeem oneself), is from the Hebrew reflexive Lehitpadot or the passive Lehipadot. So change the vowels on Tifdeh to Tipadeh, and one gets, if there is no Intifada, then you get Arafat, the headless jackass. So I have seen the survivors of his bloody handiwork. It is not pretty even if it is different than the Shoah.more later
Arafat murdered more Jews than anyone since the Shoah? The Independence war? Jordan? (they did not have much sympathy for fedayn did they) Egypt? Syria? Stalin?! But that's besides the point. Arafat is dead. Whatever he did and and whatever he did not, is no longer any of our business. Nor is it our business to wonder why it was decreed that some people die a horrible death. Our business is Torah, chesed, ahavat yisrael, and raising children who live like Jews and whom we accompany B"H at the chuppah so that they may give us grandchildren and grandgrandchildren who follow in the proper path. However you have not answering my question: are you referring R"L to Rabbi Elyashiv in the terms which can be read in your post, or am I grossly misunderstanding, in which case, I apologize to you in advance.
"We have not seen mass murders, not most of us anyway."Very insensitive. I take it you don't live in Israel. I hope your comment is not seen by the families who lost many members to terrorism after Oslo, and I don't think I need to go into the tragic details.
Stalin murdered more Cossacks than he ever murdered Jews. We can talk about Divine retribution against Cossacks another time. The wars that you mentioned were military conflicts. Attacking a soldier in a war is not murder. Attacking soldiers while killing civilians in the process of attacking a military target is also not murder. I specifically excluded the war deaths from the murder category even though we always remember and mourn our war dead here. We even have a Day of Remembrance for them here before Independence Day. Sadly we include the terrorist victims in with the war dead even though it is crucial to understand the moral difference between the two in terms of one being murder and one being war casualties (those who died while our enemies were attacking military targets which they rarely do now these days).On the subject of Rav Eliyashiv, I have an answer written, and frankly I have spoken about this with Rav Pinchus Winston many times. He warned me that if I answer truthfully, I will be placing myself into a hornet's nest of the Erev Ze'ir. There is a Cherem brigade out there, and they are serious about the work that they do. So answering that question requires me to measure my words, check my facts triply and quadruply, and then one has to still walk on eggshells. In short answering that question is one big land mine even if the answer might surprise you in that it was not just Rav Eliyashiv and that he was lied to in the process of making a decision. Let me speak with Rav Winston again. I have seen the Cherem brigade in action, and a few of its members (just a few) read this blog and have threatened me on this blog too. The Truth might set one free, but as we see today with Naftali Bennett being attacked at the Kotel, it is a rough world out there.
I am sorry but I am not sure I understand. What has to do with it that Stalin murdered more Cossacks than Jews? H too murdered many more Russians than Jews. What is your point? As for distinguishing killing within a war from outright murder, not all opinions agree about it. However, those who do hold like that, fully support land for peace. The Arabs are convinced they are at war: if Jews were to leave completely the area and a Muslim state were established, they would not care about Jews going to synagogue in Brooklyn, no more than they care about scientologists or the witnesses: Muslims despise those people and their beliefs, but do not put bombs in their gathering places. This is the whole point of the Rabbis supporting land for peace: the Arabs believe the land is theirs and they believe they are at war with us. They are not common criminals, they believe what's at stake is even more important than their own life and their children's. Deliberately and cruelly targeting civilians, including children, in order to destroy the enemies' morale, is no different than what partisans did in Europe. I will not mention the Haganah. In regards to Rabbi Elyashiv, again I am not sure if I understand your words properly, are you insinuating R"L that it was possible to fool and deceive the holy Rabbi? Perhaps lehavdil some may have deceived Wojtyla or are deceiving Ratzinger. But if you are under the belief it was possible to deceive such a holy genius, one of the sharpest minds the world ever had, I wish you a refuah shleimah. As for the Cherem brigade, what is this all about? You have been put in cherem? By whom if I may ask? You never talked about this before. You insisted many times that people should move to EY, claiming connection with mainstream Judaism and with holy people whose advice was to move immediately. You never mentioned about observant Jews considering you a danger to fellow Jews, to the point they are willing to attack you physically (and I assume have got a serious heter to do that). It surely puts your blog suddendly in a whole different light. Anonymous: I have yet to meet a jewish family which has not suffered tragedies. I am sure your deep sensitivity can understand that.
There are tragedies and there are tragedies. When parents are killed and leave many orphans, when a pregnant mother and her four daughters are killed leaving a bereaved husband and father when eight holy souls are killed while learning Torah, etc... I see I do have to give you examples.
Are you daring to say no pregnant mothers and no children and no Torah scholars were murdered in Europe? In In South America? In Arab countries? No synagogue bombing, no terrorist attacks, no shooting in Jewish schools? Are these second-class in your book, where "there are tragedies and tragedies"?
I'm not comparing what happens in Israel to what happens in the Shoah. We obviously cannot/should not rank tragedies. But don't belittle what happens to people in Israel.
I was not talking about the Shoah, but to the decades that followed ww2. There have been many tragedies and terrorist attacks inside and outside EY and as you say, they cannot/should not be ranked. I don't belittle what happens to people in EY, whether it happened in terrorist attacks or in war, whether someone was observant or not, whether was zionist or not: our enemies bundle us all together, and this is the one thing we should learn from them.
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A must response to Daniela's comments-must agree with commenter Anonymous who called her "insensitive", which is to say, the very least. Her comments in answer or in response to Dov Bar Leib's informative blog and his comments elsewhere, and to others, are always contrary, oblivious of Jewish suffering in the Land of Israel and, in general, hateful. If we want Moshiach here with rachamim, Jews better start having some (at least) love and respect for fellow Jews and start showing common decency, as Reb Dov Bar Leib, tries to point out - a very important lesson for all. Agree with his and Anonymous' above comments!
And don't forget Parshat HaMon. "Coincidentally" it falls on election day. We need the most prosperity oriented government possible. So Parshat HaMon should help. We are in the 5th year of that famous Sabbatical cycle in Sanhedrin too. So there are no coincidences. The election and Parshat HaMon are together for a reason.
Sorry. Cannot bash Rav Elyashiv on my blog.
I may be insensitive, but I recall something about Brooklyn being called a "rotten cocoon" and I also remember people wishing that houses and shuls damaged by Sandy were not rebuilt. In fact I seem to remember people pointing out that the NY-NJ Jews basically "brought it upon themselves". I remember similar observation about the victims of the horrific shooting in the public school that some Jewish children attended. I remember additionally someone referring to Askhenazim as "brain-stem damaged", this person should never know what brain-stem damage is (hint: these are the observant Jews who become R"L organ donors, because autonomous respiration is irreversibly lost). Sensitivity goes both ways, thank you a lot. As for the upcoming elections, the Israeli politics should be determined by Israeli citizens, jewish and non jewish, religious and secular, so that the country functions smoothly. This is the case for each and every country in the world. The persecution of Torah lifestyle, the blatant disrespect for gedolim and halacha, the agenda about deliberately instigating R"L the anger of goyim as if there was any need to do so, have nothing to do with politics and have instead a lot to do with something else. Actually, a few days ago a top brass of the IDF eloquently pointed out the number of haredim that voluntarily enrol is already enough for what the IDF can accommodate.
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