Monday, August 10, 2015

Rav Chaim Kanievsky: Mashiah Will Come Before the Holidays

As with every statement attributed to Rav Chaim Kanievsky, this statement must be triple-checked and verified before believed.

Kooker and quoted by Sod1820 (my translation):
Emotional moments in the home of the Prince of Torah Haga'on Rav Chaim Kanievsky Shlit"a who hosted in his home the chairman of Yad Sarah - Rav Moshe Cohen - and the director of the emergency switchboard and home hospitalization program - Rav Nachum Gitman - who accepted his blessing.

At the focus of the visit stood the initiative to install an emergency button in synagogues and Mikva'ot.  They were discussing a new initiative from Yad Sarah that was born against the backdrop of a deteriorating security situation.

During the visit, the button and the mode of operation of the emergency switchboard of Yad Sarah were presented to the Ga'on Rav Chaim Kanievsky Shlit"a.  The Ga'on Rav Chaim Kanievsky's response was "Mashiah will come before the holidays and you won't need to install any more emergency buttons." Additionally, the rav blessed the switchboard operators with blessings of success.



At Mon Aug 10, 07:23:00 PM 2015, Anonymous Anonymous said...

yy, thanks. is there anyway you can confirm this news for us. thanks.

At Mon Aug 10, 07:26:00 PM 2015, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amein. You made my day!!!

At Mon Aug 10, 08:10:00 PM 2015, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks so much!
Am Yisroel - Keep up the Teshuva, Tefillos & Tzedaka!!
Awaiting anxiously for Melech Hamashiach.

At Mon Aug 10, 10:19:00 PM 2015, Blogger Leah said...

May it take place!

At Mon Aug 10, 10:44:00 PM 2015, Blogger joshwaxman said...

A likely explanation of this is that Rav Kanievsky was using the Hebrew imperfect (which carries a number of meanings) to convey the jussive / subjunctive, so when he said עד החגים יבוא משיח ולא תצטרכו להתקין יותר לחצני מצוקה, he meant "May it be that before the Chagim, mashiach will come, and you won't need to install any more emergency buttons.

Meanwhile, he didn't realize that he was surrounded by people who were not interested in understanding him and his blessing, but rather by people eager to misinterpret his words into a messianic prediction. As has happened in the past. Think wedding suit.

At Mon Aug 10, 11:30:00 PM 2015, Anonymous Efrahim said...

yes this mean moshiach must come 30 days!!!

At Mon Aug 10, 11:59:00 PM 2015, Blogger Devash said...

Josh, I would consider your suggestion as a possibility except for the phrase "before the holidays". IF this is really what Rav Chaim said and he meant what you suggest, it seems to me that these words don't belong there. He might have simply said "Mashiach should come quickly (or soon) and there won't be a need to install emergency buttons."

Anyway, as always, we wait and see. And if it doesn't pan out, we'll wait some more and this is the test that we all want to pass - the test of watching and waiting without giving up.

At Tue Aug 11, 08:03:00 AM 2015, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I read that he said "up to the holidays Messiah will come and you will have to install more panic buttons." So, when Moshiach comes, the enemies will rise up (a.k.a. all hell breaks loose).

At Tue Aug 11, 08:42:00 AM 2015, Blogger joshwaxman said...

IF this is really what Rav Chaim said and he meant what you suggest, it seems to me that these words don't belong there.

Of course it belongs. Did you read the original article?! These emergency buttons are installed in shuls, under the pesak of Rav Elyashiv, zatzal, to be able to be used on Yom Tov. And they were stressing the importance of these buttons during Yom Tov, when many more people are in shul.

e.g., in translation:
Director General of Yad Sarah referred to the initiative and said: "The security situation requires vigilance but also in normal times and certainly that during the holidays we are blessed to be available to be able to focus the audience and call for assistance can be if and when one of the worshipers feel unwell."

Now that you understand that these words in fact DO belong there, I hope you are willing to consider my suggestion, and not join in with the chorus of people who consistently take the words of a Gadol and make them into "shtuyot", nonsense (and Rav Kanievsky has called such predictions attributed to him in the past, when made aware of it).

At Tue Aug 11, 08:48:00 AM 2015, Blogger joshwaxman said...

Indeed, when it isn't Yom Tov, every Israeli carries a cellphone and could just dial for help!

At Tue Aug 11, 10:21:00 AM 2015, Blogger Devash said...

No, Josh, I missed the link to the article. I relied on what was in the post. Thanks for clarifying that. You could very well be right. But, I'm hoping you're wrong. ;-)

At Sun Aug 16, 09:16:00 AM 2015, Blogger Unknown said...

I agree with Josh and sitll hope Moshiach come ASAP


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