posted by yaak @ 10/06/2015 11:52:00 PM
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Who is "yaak"? I'm a half-Sepharadi, half-Ashkenazi, Haredi Zionist. I hope that clears it all up. :-) I went to a Haredi elementary school, a mixed Haredi/modern high school, Haredi Yeshiva in Israel, and back to a mixed Yeshiva after that. I have a masters degree in computer science and Semicha. BA"H Mash'ala, I'm married to a wonderful wife with 6 great children. Hoping to meet each one of my readers in Yerushalayim when we are Olim LeRegel there very soon...
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I didn't see you had this video up on Tuesday, but probably wouldn't have tuned in anyway as it's in Hebrew.
I have to rely on the translation of the main points from Tomer Devorah but at first glance, I am not convinced by this kid's so-called vision or experience. His mannerisms strike me as being glib. This is a terrifying subject yet his smiling and giggling at times is strange, off-putting and seems incredulous. What he says also contradicts so many rabbi's who have said repeatedly that Israel is the safest place to be. I cannot fathom millions of innocent Jews being slaughtered once again at the hands of our enemies. How could Hashem allow this after the Holocaust?! No, I believe in the kindness and mercy of Hashem. This will not happen. It would shatter me if it did.--Diaspora Ro
I have a feeling that there is something fishy with this kid's revelations. I does not seem to be kosher. His "information" about the identity of Mashiah etc. in NO WAY is seeming to be reliable !
Devorah, I started watching the video after it was emailed to me by someone. (Thanks, Daniel.) Then, I noticed Tomer Devorah had a nice summary of the main points. I just posted it right before midnight my time on Tuesday.
Anonymous 1:09 AM and David, I watched the entire video and the kid looked very genuine to me. He in no way looked like he was giggling about anything serious. If it looked off-putting to you, perhaps you are not accustomed to how teenagers speak. I have 3 of them so I can relate. This kid actually spoke confidently and with a sense of מסיח לפי תומו that seems very genuine. Apparently, according to the video, he was a totally secular kid before Sukkot, when he had the experience.
Of course, all my information comes from the video. I know no more about it. If you want to verify the information before casting doubts about it, speak to Rav Rami Levi or anyone associated with the boy to check up on the information presented.
Yaak,
there is no proof neither for it nor against it. We can judge only according to our own intuition. And for that, speaking to Rav Levi cannot help either. What my OWN intuition tells me, is that this kid would partially speak about something he LEARNED and not about something he REALLY EXPERIENCED himself in all the details. Notice how he mentioned the names of Rav Ovadia and Rav Eliyashiv ! It does not feel he really saw them there ! Sorry.
You're entitled to your own intuition and I'm entitled to mine. Later on in the video, he names the third judge as Rav Kaduri. To me, it does not seem as if he "learned" this information, but that he actually experienced it. And I disagree with you. Speaking to Rav Levi will help. He spent more time with the boy than anyone, it seems. He can be a better judge than you or me.
See about 34:50 where he speaks about Har haZeitim being splitted in two halves. His account REALLY feels here as if he would cite from the Haftara recently read in the synagogues (Zechariah 14), from something he LEARNED recently and not received through his onw experience Above as claimed ! The bottom line: it seems for me that this boy INDEED would have experienced SOME stuff, but NOT EVERYTHING he says comes from his own experience Above, and even what he did experience there could be a mixture of Holy and unholy sources. We could learn something from it, but must consume it with caution ! SOME information he gives could be either false or comming from impure sources.
For sure millions of people will die in Israel for Hashem wants to do the cleansing of Am Israel as well as of the entire world.
Mashiach will come when Israel is nearly broken.
The Gog is a nation not a person. Initially Gog is the American nation. The Magog is Russia. Gog and Magog will fight each other. The preliminary results are that America appears to win, but later on Mashiach intervenes and destroy the Gog by fire (The whole country will burn in one day). Overall all the wars emerging now are the wars of Gog and Magog.
Then, big wars are initiated all over the world. The migrant army will hit Europe from the inside. Pakistan and China clashes with India united with Russia. Mashiach intervenes and wipes out Ishmael that is a creation of Hashem for the purpose of redirect the world towards evolution by eliminating the evil that will fight evil. Ismael will fight Western Europe and America.
The appearing of Mashiach is for 5778 when the wars end and peace settles for a new world order, the world of Mashiach. Gradually humanity heals and the inclination to evil is replaced by inclination to good.
The boy narrating the events did his best to explain, but it is obvious he could not have correct explanations since his education isn’t religious. His experience couldn’t be explained properly unless the recipient receiving the data is able to correlate the information. Such visions necessitate proper decoding, they do not come in clear forms as reading a paper of witnessing movements, images, sounds, etc.
The big truth that singles out is that the geulah is here and Mashiach is active. Rejoice Israel! The fulfilment of you mission is near.
What he said does not matter because the Chabad Rebbe was a true and tested novi [!] who has already told us what will happen. Btw, what happen to last year's autistic kid's prediction ??
IMHO, All of those scary violent end time videos scaring people have NOT accomplished anything. I propose they not be used for ratings and sensationalism. Manipulating people's neshomas is unhealthy. This is not a Jewish behavior. Also, out of body experiences are also in that category. Reb Dov relies mainly on TaNaCh and Midrash. One MUST only rely on the Torah, and the positive prophecies. One MUST strengthen their own Emuna and Bitachon in HaShem and wait for a gadol to announce that Mashiach has arrived. We are all being tested.
My own almost-dead experience is oh so different from the story in this video, virtually the opposite.
Neshama,
How do you know it has not accomplished anything? I don't have figures to prove it, but I can imagine - from all the hype it produced - that the movie חותם אמת has produced hundreds if not thousands of Ba'alei Teshuva.
Your proposal is out of line. There is no manipulation of anyone's neshamot. This kid willingly made his story known to the audience and the video camera. What is not Jewish about this? How is this not relying on the Torah? This is strengthening the Torah!
As I wrote, IMHO, was just that, my opinion. I am not out of line, maybe just in your estimation under your criteria. Each person sees things relative to his/her Daas. Since you admit that you don't have figures to support your imagination, it's not a valid assumption. Sounds good, but not factual? The manipulation referred to pertains more to those poorly made end days scenarios (not Jewish refers also to this).
There are also many xtians that have had out of body experiences, (and books written) all according to the messages they have imbibed via their teachings. So this is really subjective, al pi the person who experiences it. This is not exclusive to yidden. Can one say that their testimonials are 'real'? They certainly support their 'bible' . Is G-d sending them messages?
One must be careful to not deviate from TOTAL dependence on HaShem.
Wishing you a good winter, and a speedy arrival in Eretz Yisrael! :-)
Why is it not a valid assumption? I'm aware of MANY synagogues that have shown such videos. I don't have the figures for Discovery seminars either, but can imagine that they have produced a great deal of Ba'alei Teshuva from their seminars. These type of videos are very influential among the Hebrew-speaking public. Perhaps, you cannot relate.
Re: the Xtians, you are making the mistake that so many people make that anything the Xtians do "must not be Jewish". Just because the Xtians promote it doesn't mean that it's not Jewish. Aderaba! They try to copy us in everything!
It's irrelevant to me if their testimonials are real or not. Either they're making it up or they may have been shown falsehood in Shamayim as a test to themselves and others. I pay no attention to them.
This is not the case when Jews see things that corroborate the words of Tanach and Hazal. In these cases, we SHOULD be paying attention to what these people are saying.
Not that we must believe it without question, but we definitely should be paying attention. We should question and question and question some more. Let's verify the facts. But to write it off simply as Xtian nonsense is, frankly, missing the point.
Frankly, I am with Neshama--scare tactics and traumatic end of days scenarios do more harm than good.
As I said earlier, I put my faith in Hashem's kindness and mercy. I am also more inclined to believe what the late, great Lubavitcher Rebbe said... that we have done enough Tshuva & it is now up to Hashem to grant us redemption. He never said anything about millions of Jewish korben dying needlessly. Rabbi Ben Artzi also says that Israel is under the divine protection of the Shechina--so what's changed? His pronouncements are far more accurate in my opinion than a kid's stroll along the astral plane.
I can conk my head tomorrow and have a vision or out of body experience--it won't mean that it is valid or that my sources are divine.
What it does mean is that I won't stop praying for Klal Yisroel one way or another.
Please visit Chaimdavid.org for his take. It's more soothing to the soul.
---Diaspora RO
Diaspora RO,
And you know they do more harm how?
There are many different scenarios of the End of Days. Scary scenarios are as much part of our Mesora as anything else. As the gemara explains: "How can you save yourself from the birthpangs of Mashiah? Learn Torah and do acts of kindness."
The purpose of revealing his message is to show us how close we are to the Geula and how we should be a part of those who are saved from these birthpangs. If we don't, we know that there are consequences. That's straight from the gemara.
Now, there is an argument among rabbis whether Hevlei Mashiah and Gog Umagog was fulfilled by the Holocaust. I'm not getting into that argument. However, know that there are many rabbis who reject that opinion for many good reasons. How I wish it were true.
You want soothing to the soul? If the truth doesn't soothe your soul, then you may be in for an awakening. The soul will be soothed, but there is a process. If you want the truth as many rabbis and seers see it, stay right here.
How do I know if it is doing harm? Simple-- by gauging my own feelings. If it sickens me and makes me worry about Klal Yisroel--then that is doing harm. I can't pray any harder than I already am. And, I am sure it upsets others, too. It may even cause some to question Hashem and their own emunah. That's a bad thing.
After all, How much tzedekkah, tehillim and tshuvah is enough? It almost never seems enough if you think about it based on these videos and scenarios.
I simply don't like scare tactics on any level, in any way. They turn me off and that's my opinion which I am entitled to.
And, yeah I also think it is very Xtian like in its approach--they scream repent and accept JC or die. Yech!!
I don't want that type of grotesqueness in Judaism. Honest, simple prayer from the heart in a joyful or sincere way beats fear-mongering any day.
I do know the Geula is a process but I prefer a prick of the finger versus an amputation. And yes, I've read the arguments about the Holocaust too, and I'm with those who say the Holocaust fulfilled the beginnings of the redemption.
It's Hashem's choice but who says I can't be positive and upbeat instead of filled with angst and dread for Klal Yisroel?
--Diaspora RO
Of course you have basis to feel upbeat. If such messages shter your emunah, don't listen to them.
Nevertheless, there are many who are not like you and need such messages to awaken their sleeping neshama.
Not your cup of tea? Fine. But what you call "Yech", others will get inspired by. What you get inspired by, others may pooh-pooh. You're entitled to have your feelings on it, but you speak for only yourself.
And don't call it Xtian in its approach. Fire and brimstone is not something invented by the Xtians. Read Parshat Ki Tavo, Nitzavim, Vayelech, and Ha'azinu. We believe in reward and punishment and we know that actions and deeds have consequences.
Of course, everyone prefers a prick of the finger versus an amputation. We daven for a Geula BeRahamim all the time. But we better be forewarned if it doesn't happen lest we be caught off-guard.
Meant to comment this when I originally saw it on Tomer Devorah and immediately I felt this is not for real. First, if atomic weapons of any sort are used, c'v, on Tel Aviv or Haifa, the whole country will suffer the same. Second, there are many righteous Jews in both those cities.
Third, do not believe that the Jewish people will again suffer just seventy yrs. after the Shoa. We pray H' is surely sweetening the judgment of His people, Yisrael. His story is suspicious; and the Lubavitcher Rebbe has said the geulah will come with rachamim.
YAAK,
I don't dispute that some people need a swift kick in the pants and/or severe wake-up call. I, however, am not one of them. And, I don't speak for anyone but myself just as you can't speak for anyone but yourself. Nor did I ever imply that I represented anyone. I only stated that there are others out there like me. Just as there are others out there like you. So, its a draw;-))
As for fire and Brimstone, it may not have been invented by the Xtians but it has been perfected by them and it is bone chilling. Yes, we believe in reward and punishment according to the 13 principles. And, the parshas like those you mentioned and others like Parshat Korach aren't for the faint of heart but they often serve a higher purpose. Sometimes to draw us closer to Hashem, to praise and revere him as well as those who serve him. The real messages can be uplifting if taken positively. For example, I view Parshat Korach as: Praise rewards & honors others and rewards & honors us in return. Not just commit Lashon Hora against Moshe Rabbenu and end up in hell. My approach may be simplistic but that is the best I can do, not having had any formal Yeshiva education. And, my leaning as a New Yorker is more Conservadox anyway based on my upbringing.
I simply don't value fear or negativity as teaching tools. If you insist on living in the dark how can the light ever get through? If the Geula comes in with sweetness and light for us-- YAY! I am over the moon! If it comes in a third way, some heartache and sacrifice but joy in the end, I can still deal with it. But incomprehensible death and destruction after decades of it--sorry, I can't deal with it. I am the child of Holocaust survivors. My family lost everything (and I am not just talking money but so many loved ones) and if that's not enough suffering for Hashem--and I am still suffering in other ways-- well then, what can I say? Adios Kinderlach!
That really is my last word on the subject. --Diaspora RO
About the process of Geulah we have a general view from the scriptures. But the details of the course of events are in Hashem’s hands.
Imagine that you are Mashiach. Would you parade like Jesus to convince people about the Saviour’s mission? It appears that Jesus was well aware about who may be the Mashiach, who has to have a successor to follow him as a king. And Jesus was well aware he was not a king, like his supposed ancestor king David, and he didn’t have children. Xtianity is a fabrication that Jesus would not accept if he were alive today. So, the real Mashiach’s presence is now hidden, but his work can be seen.
In relation to doomsdays, the Chevelai haMashiach, they have to be real. Israel has a fundamental problem with the Erev Rav, a community regarded as Jewish but without Jewish souls. Such a group of infiltrators was well prepared for Am Israel since the time of Har Sinai events. The Erev Rav keeps the real Jews alert for having the enemy in their midst. And Erev Rav has to disappear at the End of Days for their mission being accomplished. The removal of such people means millions dying in Israel. The nuclear scenario is plausible.
With Ishmael, Israel has a problem of bad and evil, Ishmael being the alter ego of Israel. At the End of Days, Ishmael will be entirely gone after completing their mission of terrorising the world of sin that we have today. So Ishmael is an arm of Hashem. We see today how the migrant army invades Europe, the continent having Jewish blood on its hands (Especially Germany).
It appears that the process of Time of Judgment started exactly on Rosh Hashanah 5776 that is the beginning of Day of Judgment. Was it a coincidence that the unrest in Jerusalem started precisely on Rosh Hashanah 5776, The Day of Judgment? (! We have 365 days per year). Any scepticism will not ignore this fact.
Events are moving fast, there is a hastening at The End of Days. Can you believe that Russia is becoming the protector of Israel now that the traitor America has distanced herself? USA has too many sins to survive the onslaught at The End of Days. Now is the time of separation of good and evil when divine judgment will do the parting. That is the reason of American disconnection from Israel that is now very near to accomplish her evolutionary mission of driving humanity to a new level of consciousness. The scriptures describe the suffering of Israel for the sake of redemption, Geulah.
So, people in Israel should be aware about the survival issue. Yes, Hashem protects the faithful, but Emunah will give people inspiration what to do to survive. Perhaps stock up some food will be wise. Am Israel will be made to stay on her knees, for only this way she will listen to Hashem. Does Israel wait for Messianic redemption? Not really! Just a few people dream of Mashiach. See Shiur of rabbi Dror Moshe at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPG77cuYvBM.
The contradictions, the inner fighting, the lack of social cohesion, the politicians, they are the problems of the current generations in Israel. But the spark of transformation is there. From such a divine light remnant of Emunah, Israel will become the royal priesthood of humanity in the World to Come, Olam Haba. Be aware Israel!
YAAK- I completely support where you are coming from. ***I also wanted to state that if you do not understand the Hebrew fluently you will be missing the subtle nuaances necessary to really be able to judge the place of Emet (truth) that I believe this boy is coming from.
In response to Diaspora RO, and all of your readers, I too am affected by the Holocaust daily ( I have been working on my own past life memories for the past 16 years) and have nevertheless found this video to be increadibly strengthening as it speaks of the Olam Ha Emet.... and that Moshiach is slated to come soon.
Also nothing is written in stone- I believe as he is from the secular world this is sent as a wake up call from Hashem to the secular Jews and as an Opportunity for all of us to to more to try to avoid the worst possible scenario. It is also a reminder that our Torah is True....Torah, Mitzvot , and Gimilut Chesed are all that this world and the world of Moshiach are about.
Hashem sent this boy back to this world so that he could take on more mitzvot and I believe to send a wake up call to Am Yisrael. Nothing is meant to scare us as Hashem is a loving Abba...It is meant to wake us up, whether this video or the murders of the past week....as the boy himself said Am Yisrael can do teshuvah. I also want to add that I believe that we need to be holding eyes of Geulah/ Emunah with all of our strength right now.
I practically try to take time to meditate on the fact that Geulah is on its way- that Hashem is bringing it (even the loss of lives is bringing us one step closer)- I am trying to say extra tehillim for my family that is not religious in hopes that any sparks may be opened and trying not to get o get into yeush (despair).)
- as this is the work of the Yetzer Ha ra.
As Yaak says- G-d forbid if the worst has to come *(as is the teachings of Zecharia and in align with these boys experiences)- at least we should get prepared and strengthen our emunah muscles now- (an idea: pick your favorite tehillim or lines from the torah/ haftarot that strengthen you). Lets work on strengthening each other during these times of Tzaar for Yaakov. The boy told us how- Torah, Mitzvot, Gimilut Chessed- Pick a couple specific things to work on daily- This is how we can strengthen our arsenal- there is no other!!! Sending love and blessings to all of Am Yisrael from Yerushalayim- Devora
also, see here:
http://absolutetruth613.blogspot.com/2015/10/so-what-is-going-on-and-why-are-there.html
that Obama cannot be Gog, because George Bush is Gog.
:)
I hear an echo...
"...You shall not prophesy for us true things. Speak to us with smooth talk;...." (Isaiah 30.10)
Cannot and will not believe this kid. He has been set up for this whole episode. We see that H' is really showing chesed and rachamim to His children and, hopefully, not the scenario presented by this video. The nations are feeling the brunt of H's wrath. Six miilion are already kedoshim and doubt that He will again allow such a horror upon His bnai Yisrael; also has everyone forgotten that the notzrim want to bring their messiah and all this can be a way of trying to fool the people. The Erev Rav are hard at work together with their allies, Eisav/Yishmael. This is not the way our true Geulah will take place.
This young man speaks is such natural way and so typical to a teenager that I don't see how anyone could say he is lying. There are no prophets and therefore no prophecy. With all that is happening right now the only thing to be sure of is not what will happen in the future but what needs to happen right now - HaShem wants us all to do teshuva. May we merit to bring the geula sheleima b'rachamim.
Another fascination NDE from a secular Israeli who is now charedi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpflBfazqUc&rel=0
More info about the video from Eran Ben Ezra:
יש לי הוכחה מהערב מעדות אישית שראיתי במו עיני שהסרטון של הנער נתן אמת הוא.מחקירה של האם והרב רמי לוי שעשיתי בביתי ברמת גן היום 14-10-15 שעה 22:45 יצאו מביתי השניים.לאחר כשלוש שעות של ביקור .
חברים יקרים אני שמח לבשר שעכשיו יצאו מביתי הרב רמי לוי שליט"א ידידי האישי וגברת דבורה אמא של הנער נתן שמת מוות קליני…וביקשתי מאמא של הילד אשה דתייה מאמינה שתספר לי מה היה באותו היום והיא סיפרה לי שבנה היה בטרם כמה ימים קודם לכן לאחר שהתעלף והרגיש בצמרמורות וחולי שנראה כשפעת או דלקת ראות ..ובטרם השירות הרפואי נתנו לו אנטיביוטיקה להלחם בחוליו ..וביומיים בתוך חג סוכות בנה אמר לאימו שהוא חש כמו לפני כמה ימים שהתעלף והיה סהרורי מסוחרר והוא נכנס כולו רועד ולא חש בטוב לסוכה של דודו במודיעין שהאמא יושבת בחוץ ומביטה על בנה ששכב על המיטה בסוכה ..כביכול לנוח והיא חשבה שהוא נרדם, כי היה נראה ישן מבחוץ ממרחק של כמה מטרים מהיכן שישבה..אבל אז הוא קם בבהלה ורץ אליה אחוז עמוק כולו זיעה קרה ..מבוהל וחיוור כסיד.. וסיפר לה לאחר שהתעורר לאחר כרבע שעה שהיה מחוץ לגופו ..אמר לה אמא כולו מבוהל בבקשה את חייבת להאמין לי למה שאני הולך לספר לך כולו נרגש ורועד ..אמא תשבעי לי שאת תאמיני לא למה שאני הולך לספר לך …והתחיל כולו רועד מפחד ומבוהל לספר לאימו ..את החוויה שעבר כמו שסיפר בסרטון …והתחיל לומר אמא הייתי מחוץ לגוף ריחפתי למעלה ..מתתי מוות הייתי מת ועליתי למעלה נמשכתי למעלה אמא ראיתי את האור הזה שכולו אוהב והתחיל לספר לה כולו נרגש והמום ..והאמא בתחילה אמרה לו אני לא מאמינה לך …אז הוא נרגש אמא הבטחת שתאמיני לי אמא את אמא שלי בבקשה תאמיני לי אני לא ממציא ככה ראיתי וכולו מבוהל ונרגש … את אמא שלי למה את לא מאמינה לי אמא אני נשבע לך שאני אומר אמת וכולו נרגש ומבוהל …המשיך לספר ביותר פרטים עד שהאמא אמרה לי…לאחר שסיפר יותר ויותר התחלתי להאמין לו..עד שהבנתי פתאום שזה כנראה אמיתי שהוא באמת היה בעולם האמת כמו שהוא מתאר .והוא אכן מת מוות קליני כמו שמספרים האנשים..והילד התחיל לתאר בפרטי פרטים כל מה שהוא מספר בוידאו המומלץ בחום רב לראות שוב, כי היום אני בלי שום ספק בטוח שהנער נתן מת מוות קליני וכל שעבר אמת !!! ואז האמא אמרה לנתן הילד שתספר למכר המשפחה הרב רמי לוי שליט"א הסיפור ותראה מה דעתו ומה יש לו לומר בעניין על מה שעברת …האמא התקשרה לרב ואמרה לו שהם חייבים לפגוש אותו דחוף כי זה לא לטלפון מה שיש לה לספר לו …הרב הזמינם לביתו והם התחילו יחד לספר מה עבר על הילד ומה הוא ראה ומה חווה במוות הקליני שהיה מת מחוץ לגופו לאמא יש מסמכים מטרם מיומיים קודם על מצבו של הילד ..עם זאת האמא חפצה שהסרטון יוסר והילד יחזור לשגרה שלו וירד מהכותרות …בשל לחץ ממשפחתה הקרובה שמופעל עליה .האמא עשתה עליי רושם של אשה אמינה שאומרת אמת שאכן בנה עבר המוות הקליני שהיא מתארת והרב רמי לוי אישר דבריה שכך היה …והרב לעולם לא היה מפרסם הסיפור לולא חקרו חקירה מכל הכיוונים שאכן הנער עבר מה שעבר…הרב הכיר את הנער ומשפחתו הכרות אישית וידע שהילד לא ידע ידע כזה מקיף בנושא הגאולה ובכלל בנושא הדת …(הילד בעברו הלך עם ציצית והיה לא דתי מעין מסורתי מחפף מודרני כזה עם ידע פחות מבסיסי בדת…ועשה זאת יותר לכבד את האמא שהיא דתייה ..אבל בזמן הארוע היה הולך בלי כיפה ובלי ציצית ולכן אמר בסרטון שקיבל שכר גדול בשמיים שהלך עם ציצית והרב שם לו כיפה וציצית עוד באותו הערב שבא עם אמו כפי שהבנתי זאת מהסרטון זה שכחתי לשאול הערב.)ואז הרב הציע לה שתשלח את בנה איתו לשיעור תורה שיש לו שיספר את סיפורו והאמא הסכימה לרב רמי לוי לקחת את נתן ונתנה לו אישור בכתב ידה שהוא בידי והסכימה שיצלם הארוע ויעלה לאתרו ..ואת השאר תראו בסרטון .אז אני מעיד בשבועה חמורה שהרגע כך שמעתי באופן אישי מהאם ומהרב הצדיק רמי לוי שליט"א .והסיפור אכן אמיתי ב"ה.
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וכל מי שהוציא לעז שיעשה תשובה חזקה ….ולכן תדעו שהכל שאמר אמת כך ראה הנער בעולם האמת וע"כ כולנו צריכים לחזור בתשובה שלימה ואני בראש…(הסתייגות האישית היחידה שלי יש זה התאריכים שהנער נקב שיש לחשוש שמה והם נכונים ולעשות תשובה אבל יש לחשוש שנתנו לס"א (השטן וחיילותיו הקליפות כמו קליפת נוגה)מים אחרונים והרשו לה להטעות את הנער בעניין התאריכים של הגאולה וחוץ מזה כל דברי הנער הם דברי הנביאים וחז"ל ואין בהם חדש ….ואם זאת יש לחשוש שהתאריכים נכונים וגוג ומגוג התחילה כי המציאות מראה שהוא צודק …אבל הגאולה יכולה להדחות במעט אם מספיק יחזרו בתשובה שלימה או יהיו בכיוון כדי שלא ידח ממנו נידח ויצלו רבים השואה הקריבה על אוייבי ישראל בסגי נאור שלא שבו בתשובה…(הכוונה על עם ישראל)…חשוב לדעת שמדובר בנער עם ידע בסיסי ביותר שלא ידע כמות הידע שהוא יודע כיום בנושא הגאולה שהראו לו בשמים והוא מראה בקיאות עצומה בכל כתבי חז"ל והספרים הקדושים ידע שגם לרבנים אין …ממה שראה בשמיים וכך העיד מומחה לשפת גוף שעדותו אמינה ראו בקיר שלי פרסום מהיום מאתר מחלקה ראשונה.
בברכה
עו"ד ערן בן עזרא
Now that the kid's parents have said he is mentally ill and was manipulated by rami levy, what say you?
Josh, please read what I just posted a few minutes ago in Hebrew.
The mother at least is a religious woman and she was the one who brought the kid to Rav Rami Levy Shlit"a. And she at first was skeptical, but subsequently started believing the kid. They asked him to remove the video not because they claim their kid to be mentally ill, but for privacy concerns. (Are you referring to what you saw on Rabbi Mizrachi's video? That doesn't seem to go along with Mr. Ben Ezra said from first-hand knowledge.)
Indeed, it doesn't. Yet rabbi mizrachi received, first hand, two emails from the parent.
And I already read what you posted in Hebrew.
Did you watch the video? Does the kid look mentally ill to you?
I trust Mr. Ben Ezra's assessment.
So rabbi mizrachi lied?
No, ח"ו. I'm assuming he got the emails, but Rabbi Mizrachi also didn't trust the parents' assessment!
So you think the two parents lied? Also that the dybbuk lady who retraced lied? Got it.
So you trust the first hand account over the words of the lying parents?
Not all mental illness is immediately apparent, btw.
From my perspective, based on content, this is false prophecy. So it is either mental illness, manipulation, or lies by the kid.
There's some part of the story that you and I don't know. I'm just telling you that this first-hand account sounds trustworthy.
Let's get to the bottom of the parents' story if you will. Apparently, Mr. Ben Ezra understood the mother at least to be very supportive of the son's story.
I'll quote another part of the same post that I didn't quote before:
בלי קשר זה עדות של מומחה
מומחה לשפת גוף: הנער אמין ומתאר את החוויה הסובייקטיבית שחווה, מה שלא בהכרח מעיד על אמינותה, לגבי הפרשנות והתיווך – זה כבר עניין אחר
▪ ▪ ▪אתר החדשות מחלקה ראשונה פירסם:"
News1 הושיב את רמי צוֹר, מומחה לשפת הגוף ולתקשורת בין אישית, ומראשוני העוסקים בתחום זה בישראל, לצפות בסרט. צור אומר כי "הנער עבר חוויה ואפשר לראות זאת באופן ברור. לפעמים קשה לו לתאר מה ראה, כמו שקשה לתאר חלומות…."
"נראה שלנער יש תסמונת כלשהי שקשורה בחוסר סבלנות. לא נראה שהוא קורא הרבה. פעמים רבות הוא מרים את עיניו למעלה. מחקרים אומרים כי בני אדם מתחלקים בחוויותיהם לכמה סוגים: שמיעתי, תחושתי וראייתה. הוא נמנה על הסוג האחרון אליו שייך היום רובנו. בעיקר בגלל הסמארטפונים רובנו חווים הכל דרך ראייה. זה מתבטא במשפטים כמו 'אתה רואה מה אני אומר', 'לא נראה לי' וכדומה, ומתאפיין בדיבור מהיר שנקטע באמצע לטובת עניין אחר כדי להדביק את תיאור התמונות שרצות במחשבה. כאשר הוא מזכיר את הרב עובדיה לא עלו עיניו למעלה, אולי כי עזרו לו להיזכר.
"את תיאורי המשיח, גוג והר הזיתים הוא כנראה חווה, אך אין זה מוכיח שמה שחלם הוא אמת. הילד אמין לגבי מה שהוא טוען שראה. ההתרגשות והחוויה אכן ניכרות וככל שהוא 'מתחמם' הוא נכנס יותר לתוך הסיפור. החוויה הסובייקטיבית נכונה ומקושטת והתיאור חי. "
וכאן זה עוד חיזוק לאמיתות מה שחווה הנער נתן.ולנו המאמינים נותר רק להתחזק ולקרב רחוקים ולהתכונן לגאולה השלימה שב"ה תבוא במהירה אמן!
This kid is not lying. He may not have understood everything he saw but many things he said in his NDE have Torah sources. Also, he is not a prophet nor a false prophet. A false prophet is judged by POSITIVE prophecy and not a negative one. Positive prophecies must come true. Negative ones are warnings - do teshuva and the Divine decree is annulled. The main point to learn from this kid and all that is happening in EY is an URGENT need for real teshuva and to pray that the geula should come without wars, terror attacks, and suffering. May we see it soon!
Re: Rav Mutzafi's words mentioned and heard at this Kikar article, it is unclear that he's referring to this even though he mentions מות קליני.
It seems that he saw some sort of pamphlet saying something that the Jewish people will be wiped out ח"ו by Asara Betevet. I saw just the opposite - by the Sod1820 people - that the Geula will come by Asara BeTevet.
However, he does make it clear that we should not listen to any type of Nevua until we hear from Eliyahu Hanavi himself. So, it does seem that Rav Mutzafi Shlit"a would not agree to believe this kid.
Just putting this out there for the sake of honesty.
"but many things he said in his NDE have Torah sources"
That proves nothing. He could be lying about having seen anything and to help his lie say things which are found in torah sources, debated by other torah sources.
"false prophet is judged by POSITIVE prophecy and not a negative one"
A false prophet can be PROVED false by such means. But if I don't receive a prophecy but pretend I do, I am a false prophet even if i say something negative.
Whether what the boy experienced is true or not the following should be noted. Yonah the prophet was sent to ninveh to inform the residents of their imminent destruction if they didn't do teshuva and correct their evil ways. They did teshuvah and the decree was abolished. If klal yisroel are worthy, harm will not befall us. If we are not worthy but we do Teshuva, then no harm will come upon us. If we do bad and deserve to be punished, whether severely or not, that will come about either way. However, one isn't punished severely for doing something that deserves a small punishment. We must make a reckoning, are we doing that which is righteous as G-d instructed us or not. If we are, then this article should not inflict fear into your heart as Hashem guards the righteous. One is deemed righteous even if he has sinned but does Teshuva and corrects his ways. Neither should one think "oh no, I am not perfect, I did this wrong and I do not do that right" because G-d does not expect perfection, just as a father doesn't expect that. Hashem just wants us to sincerely commit ourselves to doing that which is right as he has taught us to do. David Hamelech states again and again that those who trust in G-d and do his will he watches over them and no harm will befall them. For those that do not take to heart the commandments of G-d and his service, know that there is a judge and there is a judgement. Now that we are close to Mashiach's coming when there will be a great day of Judgement before Hashem, we cannot, we mustn't push off doing Teshuva any longer, we must return to G-d. So all said and done, do Teshuva, give tzedakah, guard and fulfill the Mitzvos of Hashem with a full heart, and be secure in the knowledge that God will not let any harm come upon you. To strengthen one's feelings of security in G-d recite chapter 91 of Tehillim.
I am not a Jew, nor is my husband (though, ironically, his great-grandfather was and his late cousin was a rabbi). I was raised a Catholic; my husband was raised in the Evangelical Christian faith.
We found this young man's video through another channel. There are many areas in his discussion that are very intriguing to us. But I cannot explain what happened to both of us while we were watching him.
At times, we would both start crying. Not sobbing; just silently crying. Simply listening to him while tears would form in our eyes and roll down our cheeks for no reason at all. We can't explain it. But we both went through it- me at times, my husband at times. both at the same time. I can't recall that ever happening before.
We believe in the promises God makes to his faithful. We don't know what touched us so with this particular story. But touched we were.
Do you remember that 80% of the Jews did not leave Mitzrayim. If you can't fathom that The Boss is in charge you may have a serious problem. I'
This young boy had an authentic NDE and he speaks the truth. WW3 has begun, and Obama leads the forces of darkness. Repent now, and do good while you can.
I have a question for Sekh. I think you are accurate in most of what you said. You stated that "The appearing of Mashiach is for 5778." I think it could well be, but what is your basis for saying that?
This kid is not lying and did not say anything new! He said clearly that Moshiach is coming and if we do not do teshuva there will be a war and if we do teshuva the Moshiach will come in a pleasant way. People are totally misquoting him. Stay away from these doomsday "Geula blogs" - it's total nonsense. Natan said EXACTLY what the Torah says - there is nothing new from him. Go do teshuva and there will be no war. See parashas Bechukosai and Ki Savo.
They apparently hired someone referenced by humintell called Susan Constantine: https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/54676/body-language-expert-israeli-boy-recounting-harrowing-near-death-vision-truthfully-believes-own-words-jewish-world/#Fo3Zg5suCey4KvTx.97.
Susan's bio is here:
http://www.humintell.com/susan-constantine/
I have been using humintell for years now in order to be able to see some Microexpressions. If Susan is indeed associated with Ekman and Matsumo this means something, these people wrote the book on deception training. The FACS system is real and so are their methodologies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_Action_Coding_System
See here where the video of this was posted.
Amen Daniel! You sound like my son Daniel Yirmyiahu, wherever he might be, may Hashem protect him!
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