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Thursday, May 15, 2008

Gog, Leader of the Free World (aka Eretz Edom)

Eisav Harasha, our sages tell us, tried to trick his father into believing how religious he is. "How much do I tithe on salt?", he'd ask. Eisav is Edom.

President Bush gave a speech fit for a right-wing MK, adding in religious themes, but if you read between the lines, you see what he really wants.

See also Nava's posts: Part 1 Part 2


At Sun May 18, 02:08:00 PM 2008, Blogger Yankev said...

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At Sun May 18, 02:10:00 PM 2008, Blogger Yankev said...

Lav davka is Gog Edom. This is a popular misconception on the web. For example:

R' Yitzchok Abarbanel, on Zecharia 14
Gog will come three times against Yerushalayim...and Gog uMagog are Ishmaelites...and we learned further that any time they came [in the past] and so too when Gog uMagog will come to wage war on Yerushalayim, it was and will be against the Xtians who hold it, not against Israel. And so too it will be in the future.

R' Yitzchok Abarbanel, Maayanos Hayeshua 11:8
[The Ishmaelim and the Xtians will battle...] Moshiach ben Dovid will kill the enemies and Armilus, the head of the Xtian warriors, like Gog is the head of the Ishmaelite soldiers.

"Gathered from many peoples" (Yechezkiel): this refers to the Xtians, who will have conquered the hills of Eretz Yisroel [...] that's why Gog comes against them with a great army [...]. Don't be troubled that Magog was among the sons of Yafes and Ashur among the sons of Shem, because chazal say that Sancheriv mixed up the world populations and the Assyrians settled in the land of Magog, and the prophet mentions them by the place name.

At Sun May 18, 11:46:00 PM 2008, Blogger גילוי said...

Yaakov Nathan,

Gog uMagog has multiple incarnations; each time is a different war. The 3rd and last time is as B'nei Yishmael. And the peirush of the Abarbanel is not the only opinion on this matter (regarding the circumstances of the war, as in the first quote).

At Tue May 27, 09:25:00 PM 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

YY, this is my response to reading Pres Bush's speech. It was a remarkable event - a turning point in world events. I think this augments a change in world events, but I cannot elaborate, it is a strong feeling. However, I wrote to a friend how I felt, and didn't see anyone else (blogs, news) comment so strongly. So, now I am happy to see that you also noticed the incongruity. Following is my initial reaction:

The Americans in Israel think this is the
greatest speech ever! It scares me a bit.

He said all the right things! Doesn't
it make your skin crawl? Aren't you just a bit
skeptical? He has administered a lethal dose of
mesmerizing rhetoric. He has captured the
Israelis at their own game. The Israelis are
smooth operators, and Bush has just beat them at
their own game and they don't even know they've
been had! That is amazing.

It's like BILAAM was reincarnated. I'm just too
skeptical to fall for all of his words. . What do you think about all this?

I'm a little bewildered, some parts sound like
prophecy, a little like Bilaam, a little like
hype and fork-tongued rhetoric. Since Bush cannot
be Moshiach, and could be Titus reincarnated, or
even Bilaam reincarnated - how could he speak
that way to us and then go to Saudi Arabia, sip
tea, and be completely nullified to all those
white robes shaking his hand??

Binyomin, one of the autistics along with Daniel,
told us we would be facing some very great
challenges as these days wind down before
Moshiach's arrival. This speech seems to fit into
this cautioning.

Isn't it eery?


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