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Friday, December 02, 2011

It's the Annual "Nines" Prayer Again - This Monday

See this post from 2 years ago, where I discussed the special attributes of praying on the ninth year after Yovel, in the ninth month, in the ninth day and in the ninth hour, as mentioned by the Berit Menuha.

Last year, I was a bit more cautious and suggested people consult their rabbi before doing so as a fellow blogger considers it a possible Issur De'oraita (Biblical prohibition) to specifically pray at that time.  I argued that point, but don't trust me on it - ask your rabbi to be sure.

The Bada"tz of the Edah Hahareidit is now having a prayer rally this coming Monday, the 9th of Kislev in the 9th hour of the day to beseech Hashem for mercy in the wake of tragedies such as the death of Gedolim, the bleak financial situation for Torah institutions, and to prevent certain countries legislating against Shehita and Mila.

One may be asking: if 2 years ago was 9 years after Yovel, how is this an annual event?  It should only come once in 50 years?  The only thing I can say is that perhaps since Yovel doesn't apply nowadays, each year is a Safeik (doubt) of being 9 years after Yovel.  Maybe someone has a better answer.


At Fri Dec 02, 09:54:00 AM 2011, Blogger Moshe said...

Can you please tell what time(9th hour) is going to be this year on 9 kislev, 5772?

At Fri Dec 02, 10:50:00 AM 2011, Anonymous Anonymous said...

pure erev zeir , why 1 no kabbalah or sod torah 2 bad middot with other briot tovot 3 nothing against achminijav and hamas the real threat 4 nothing for pollard 5 nothing for mashiach pure pure erev zeir ~

At Fri Dec 02, 11:32:00 AM 2011, Blogger yaak said...


It depends where you live.

For Chicago, based on, I calculated the 9th hour to be:

Magen Avraham: 1:43:48 - 2:45:04
Gra: 1:13:59 - 2:00:21

The intersection of the 2 times (to be Yotzei acc. to everyone) would be:

1:43:48 - 2:00:21

This is only for Chicago. You would need to do a calculation for your city.

At Sat Dec 03, 07:48:00 PM 2011, Blogger Moshe said...

I am from New York. Thank you.

At Sun Dec 04, 03:50:00 AM 2011, Blogger bluke said...

The 9th year makes no sense whatsoever. This is the 4th year of the shmitta cycle so this could be year 4 after yovel, 11, 18, 25 ... but it is not year 9.

At Sun Dec 04, 10:12:00 AM 2011, Blogger Moshe said...

Yaak, I understand that is not 9th year, but any way I want to say my personal prayer this year too. How to calculate it, from amud ashahar? can you please tell me what time is going to be this year 9 kislev, 5772, 9th hour? Thank you.

At Sun Dec 04, 11:53:00 AM 2011, Blogger yaak said...


That's a good question, but if so, according to those who say that blowing shofar at the end of Yom Kippur is because of Zecher LeYovel, why do we blow every year? Avuderaham answers that we do so because:

ולפי שאינו ברור בחשבון זמן היובל
התקינו לתקוע בכל שנה זכר ליובל

We can say the same here.

Myzmanim's default "New York" times:

Gra: 1:21:04-2:08:14
M"A: 1:49:40-2:51:16
Intersection: 1:49:40-2:08:14

At Mon Dec 05, 06:28:00 AM 2011, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the nyc time. May hashem answer all our tfilot...

At Mon Dec 05, 09:19:00 AM 2011, Blogger Moshe said...

Amen! Amen!

At Mon Dec 05, 10:45:00 AM 2011, Anonymous Masha said...

Hi. I live in Baltimore and have been trying to calculate the 9th hour. I find the length of a halachic hour by dividing the time of sunrise to sunset by 12. (The website actually has a zmanim tab where the halachic hours are calculated.) Then I added 9 halachic hours to the time of sunrise. I tried to reproduce your result for New York, it is close but not exact. Did I do it correctly?

At Wed Dec 07, 03:06:00 AM 2011, Blogger bluke said...

According to R' Wosner it isn't the 9th year and it doesn't matter see my post The mystery of the ninth year is solved


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