Monday, July 25, 2005

Mir Yeshiva Goes Orange reports:
Mir Yeshiva in Yerushalayim had a 13-minute burst where the students could pick up all-orange merchandise, including hats, shirts, ribbons, stickers, and puzzles. After 13 minutes, all the merchandise was gone.


At Tue Jul 26, 12:34:00 AM 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

But was the Mir Yeshiva represented in Kfar Maimon? If you have influence, go tell them that next time we expect them. All of them.

At Tue Jul 26, 01:37:00 AM 2005, Blogger yaak said...

I have no influence whatsoever. I'm just a simple Jew who lives in the U.S.

I don't know if I agree to tell the entire Mir Yeshiva to go out and protest. On one hand, I would say that their time would be better spent learning Torah - to help protect us spiritually and to protest the Disengagement spiritually.

That said, I remember that there were times that Rav Schach, Zt"l, would tell Yeshivot to go protest. Once, when I was in Yeshiva in Israel, Rav Schach made the decision to protest grave-desecration in French Hill. The rabbis of the Yeshiva told students to go and protest.

Disengagement is Kavod Hahay and Kavod Hamet, so one could argue that one should definitely go out and protest.

Nevertheless, Bitul Torah is a grave sin if not absolutely necessary to do so, so one would need someone on the level of a Rav Schach to make the call of whether one who learns Torah all day should go or not.

Another point is that if Haredim would organize a protest, they'd want to do it their way - not join in with the Dati Le'umi crowd. They'd probably make a separate protest elsewhere. I don't know if the Dati Le'umi crowd reached out to Haredi leaders and invited them to join either. I hope for the day that we can all protest as one people one day - similar to what the Unity Rally plans to do. It can be done. It will show that unity need not mean uniformity. It will show that what unites us is greater than what divides us.

At Tue Jul 26, 03:51:00 AM 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is no Bitul Torah in going out to protest. I never learned as much per day as in Kfar Maimon, and I never experienced a more uplifting atmosphere of Limud, Tefilla, Simcha.

Second, if it is ok to go out for the dead, Kal v'chomer it is ok to go out for the living. And if that would be not convincing enough, also here there is a threat of desecration of graves.

And last but not least: The disengagement will only be stopped through Achdut. It is absolutely essential that the Charedim join the "Leumi Dati" crowd, and many were the requests. I know, because I was involved personally (and partially succeeded). I was very happy to see the Shas MK delegation in Kfar Maimon. I know and appreciate what a giant step to Achdut that was. Orange ribbons are not enough. Join us.

At Tue Jul 26, 04:17:00 AM 2005, Blogger yaak said...


I knew that there were some Hardeidim in Kfar Maimon, but I didn't know that there was a Shas MK delegation there. Thanks for the info.

You're right on your "Kal v'chomer" and that's exactly what I said.

And you're right about Ahdut. I couldn't agree more.

The only thing I'm not sure about is whether guys learning all day long should go or not. If a Gadol says so, then OK. I wouldn't want to be a cause of a "Bitul Torah Be'aichut" (in quality) unless a Gadol says so.

Did Rav Eliyahu and/or Rav Shapira tell all Hesder students to go? Maybe they did, I don't know.

Did Rav Ovadia tell the Sephardic Yeshivot to go? Maybe he did, I don't know.

Did Rav Elyashiv and/or Rav Shteinman tell the Hareidi Yeshivot to go? Not that I'm aware of.

Did the Admorim tell all the Hasidim who learn in Yeshivot to go? Maybe some did, I don't know.

If you know, please enlighten me.

At Tue Jul 26, 12:15:00 PM 2005, Blogger Yaakov said...

The Rabbonim in Kfar Chabad called on every Chabad Chosid who was able to join the march from Netivot.

This shouldn't be confused with the approach of the would-be Maccabees, who are another case of "kochi v'otzem yadi", which is why we're in this predicament in the first place.


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