Sha'ul Hamelech, Shemuel Hanavi, and 2883
Iyyar 28, besides being the day of Yom Yerushalayim, is also the day that Shemuel Hanavi died.
According to this site, Shemu'el Hanavi's death occurred in the year 2884. If that's true, this makes Shemu'el Hanavi's death the midpoint of the existence of this world.* It's not the actual midpoint since his death will become the actual midpoint 8 months from now (just as there are 8 months from Rosh Hashana until Iyyar 28)**.
Creation Death of Shemu'el Today
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Yr 1 --2883 yrs-- Yr 2884 --2883 yrs-- Yr 5767
What is the significance of 2883? (Thanks to gezageza) In Shemu'el Alef 31:6, this entire Pasuk has a gematria of 2883. It describes the death of Sha'ul Hamelech.
וימת שאול ושלשת בניו ונשא כליו גם כל אנשיו, ביום ההוא יחדו
Sha'ul died 4 months after Shmu'el died, per Tosafot in Temura 15a, so this means that he likely died the same year as Shemu'el (although, it's borderline to the following year).
Another phrase that has the gematria of 2883:
לבא לרשת את הארץ אשר יהוה אלהיכם נתן לכם
Let's hope that 2883 years after Shemu'el and Sha'ul's death will sprout a rebirth of inheriting our land with the coming of Mashiah במהרה בימינו אמן.
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*A similar idea was expressed a couple years ago in Hashem1.net, in the fact that אדם stands for אדם, דוד, משיח - and David Hamelech started his reign in the midpoint of history 2 years ago.
** See the Wikipedia entry on the "Missing 165 years", which (besides refuting the whole premise here since the second set of 2883 years would have expired 165 years ago) says that we really should start counting Adam Harishon's first year from either Year Zero (according to Seder Olam's dating) or Year Two (according to modern dating) - not Year One. If this is the case, and we ignore the missing 165 years as we do today, and we assume the modern dating system, we can still say the following:
1)Adam Harishon was created in year 2.
2)Sha'ul Hamelech died close to Rosh Hashana, 2885.
3)2885 + 2883 = 5768, which would make close to Rosh Hashana, 5768 the moment which makes Sha'ul Hamelech's death the midpoint of the existence of the world. Shemu'el Hanavi's death, then, would have been the midpoint 4 months ago.
posted by yaak @ 5/13/2007 02:07:00 PM
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7 Comments:
The Wikipedia article is misunderstanding what happened, like just about everybody else (except Ibn Ezra and who understands him). It is a difficult subject, only known to who knows sod HaIbur mamash.
Originally, Adam HaRishon was considered to be born in year zero. This was until our calendar was fixed at the time of Hillel II. At that time, the birth of Adam HaRishon was artificically rescheduled to year 1 without changing the minyan of the years. This was done to accommodate the creation of the world according to rabbi Yehoshua in Nissan before Adam HaRishon, in year 0.
anonymous writer,
Where does the Ibn Ezra comment on this matter?
And taking a guess that you're the same anonymous writer that wrote about Shvat 5769, I ask you if that date is related to the 1290 days in Daniel?
You are a good guesser, and what I wrote before is indeed related to the 1290 days. If you guessed that it should also be related to the matter addressed here, also that guess is truth.
The subject of creation in Nissan is related to the time of the dedication of the Mishkan. Look at Ibn Ezra there. He wrote two perushim on the Torah, long and short. Don't skip the short one: Look beyond your Mikraot Gedolot.
anonymous writer,
Your hotmail account seems to have expired sometime last year. Please write back to me.
I also knew it was you here. I told you a little too much last year. This thing is fire. Suffered a lot in the mean time. Yissurim, like when I couldn't come to your Simcha. Baruch HaShem, I am still here. Bli Neder, I will soon write you. Small correction: In the calendar system, Adam is taken to be created in Tishrei year 2, where3as creation of Nissan was in year 1. I wrote too fast. The important thing is that the minyan did not change.
Hope all is well. Be Blessed.
Sorry it has been difficult for you. The last 4 months have been for me as well, though not here in the Holy Land.
The Eiruvin calculation of Tekufot is easy, but the calculation of Molad is very difficult. The 7 hour progression is 7 standardized hours or 7 halachic hours?
When you're ready, I can email you a copy of the book I mentioned about the time in the desert.
Be well.
OK, I think I'm following this (excuse me for budding into your conversation, but my blog is hosting it):
Anonymous#1 is saying that 1290 days from Disengagement is Shevat, 5769. I unfortunately don't have access to the Peirush Hakatzar of the Ibn Ezra, though. I'll try to find it somewhere, though.
Anonymous#2, I think, is referring to the Kol Hator's comparison of 6000 years to 6 days of creation, but I'm not sure. He then says something about the time in the desert, presumably comparing it to the last 40 years.
Am I right? Wish to share any more details?
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