Gilad is Free!
It's a happy/apprehensive/sad day for Kelal Yisrael.
On the other hand, many are apprehensive that terrorists are being freed and saddened that justice was not done properly to them. May אל נקמות ה' take care of that part of the deal.
And during this חג האסיף, while Hashem is gathering His children from captivity, may He also gather the other Jewish captives back, such as:
- Jonathan Pollard
- Sholom Rubashkin
- Alan Gross
- Jacob Ostreicher
- Yaakov Yosef Gruenwald
and all others as well.
posted by yaak @ 10/18/2011 07:18:00 AM
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Amzn Ken Yehi Ratzon
yes, including those jews who have unjustly been tagged as dangerous only because of their love for the Torah and israel. may they all come home. if these who have been let out can come i dont understand whats stopping from all jews to returning home.
i have to mention this. i avoided looking at the tv until they showed shalit and iw as called. he looked shockingly thin and sort of glazed.on the other hand, the prisoners from your side looked like they have come out from a long and good holiday with loads of good food. overfed and overweight. and not one tv made the comparison. just imagine if one of your prisoners looked like shalit, most of the gentile world, the leftists among yours would have sobbed their 'poor' hearts out. May Hashem bless and protect israel.
Dear 10rainbow, may I point out it is not easy to keep a hostage without having the whole neighbourhood gossip about it. The location of Gilad being known would have meant for him certain death, either by botched idf "rescue" attempts (go ahead and list a few among the recent ones; also list the successful ones, go ahead), or by rival terrorist groups seeking the spotlight. No one likes the hamas monsters, but they have kept Gilad alive and in health conditions which - let me only say this - could have been much worse. You should not take all of that for granted. By the way, Ron Arad is not only dead, but his remains are nowhere to be found, and he has a wife.
Would you have preferred the Hamas to have invited some foolish Red Cross or NGO representative to see him (and do exactly what? how was that going to help?) and then blab with their big mouth, and jeopardize his security and very life?
..."but they have kept Gilad alive and in health conditions which - let me only say this - could have been much worse. You should not take all of that for granted"
He looks like a Holocaust survivor. You sound like a Hamas PR man. You should be ashamed ...
It appears that Jacob Ostreicher has been released from teh Bolivian prison, yet I believe he might still be detained in Bolivia.
Leah, Google News has nothing on him since Oct. 4/5, so I don't know anything new since then.
Moriah, you have obviously never seen anyone returning from extermination camps, nor have you ever seen the lucky jews returning from forced labour camps in neutral countries which they had illegally entered. May you never see them, fool.
Now perhaps we might focus on Pollard and Rubashkin, or have you given up and expect them to return in a box?
Ostreicher has been released from jail (under bond) a few days ago but I think he can not leave the country.
How dare you compare Rubashkin to the others and call him a "jewish captive". it's an insult to the others, it's a chutzpah to the families, and simply not true. No matter whether you disagree with the length of sentencing - he did something illegal and is in jail - not kidnapped for it. I have rachmanus for the length of his sentencing, but not for his getting caught and lack of remorse since.
Not this time Yaak, that was really wrong!
Shaya, To not have rahmanut for him in any capacity is what's really wrong. How dare you!
If you look at all the facts of the case, there should have been a lot more rahmanut given to him not only at the sentencing, but also at the original trial. All mitigating factors were totally overlooked and he was totally railroaded.
Any way you look at it, he should be a free man right now, so yes, I will this time and every time list him with the others, and YES, Pidyon Shevuyim applies. You cannot convince me otherwise.
1. I said I have rachmanut in the cooment, so your first point makes no sense and is insulting for the fact that you obviously didn't really read my point before you attempted to defend him.
2. He still has not expressed any remorse to the courts for his behavior, nor to the public. He did something illegal, yet behaves as if he was allowed to. In my own court experiences with others, if you act as if you are above the law - which SR continues to do - you get the book thrown at you. Even hardened criminals know to fake remorse.
3. he isn't a captive. he is a legal prisoner who is getting the LEGAL amount of sentencing given to him because of HIS own behavior. Many frum lawyers - other than his own biased ones - have reviewed the court documents and have said, all he had to do was act contrite and apologetic and this wouldn't be an issue. Instead he chooses to behave like 3 year old who thinks he can do what he wants and not be punished for it.
As I said earlier, I have rachmanus for his situation, but rachmanus doesn't have to mean blind and ignorant following.
"there should have been a lot more rahmanut given to him not only at the sentencing, but also at the original trial."
this is true only if he would have acknowledged his wrong-doing. he has yet to do so. This is not a lesson any yid should teach their kid - steal from the goyim and it's ok because we'll blindly defend you if you wear a black hat.
1) I meant in "every" capacity - not "any"
2) His lawyers - who are most familiar with the case - have likely advised him not to be apologetic in this case for whatever reason.
3) To say "if only he would have been contrite from the start, this wouldn't have happened" is nice Monday-morning quarterbacking, but against the advice of the legal team that is most familiar with the case. It's hogwash.
Of course it's Assur to steal from Goyim, but he wasn't really trying to do that - he had a brief error in judgement that resulted in him being locked up for 27 years by a biased judge. You bet he's a captive.
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