Mashiah This Year - Shiur for Women
Moriya's Place and Shirat Devorah linked to a women-only shiur on TorahAnytime in which Ms Iris Odani Elyashiv explains why Mashiah will come very soon.
I have not seen the shiur, nor do I intend to, so if any women who have seen it would like to summarize the main points in the comments, I'd appreciate it. Thank you.
posted by yaak @ 2/06/2012 03:44:00 AM
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I have seen it about 5 times because I enjoyed it so much. For anybody who is yearning for moshiach to come the Rebbezin gives sources from the Gra and the Arizal that in the year 5772 in tammuz and av, Moshich will im-yirtz-HaShem be coming.
Woo hoo!
She is very clear and everything is source based.
I'm halfway through it. It seems to follow Rav Fish's info. These are the high points so far:
We’ve been in Days of Mashiach since 5700.
The Zohar HaKadosh says Mashiach times will cover 100 years – from 5700 to 5800.
Rambam – the last two hundred years til 6000 are “years of pleasure.”
“We are Mashiach women. …Everything will happen this year – 5772.”
Mashiach will arrive this year. “It started in the Hebrew month of Tamuz last year – 5771.”
This year on Tamuz/Av Mashiach will already be here. Gog uMagog will be 5773.
“This is the time to return to the Land of Israel. This is the time to come home.”
“5772 is the beginning of the end of b’ita.” This is the time to tell everything. The predictions of Sanhedrin 97 and 98 have all already happened.
The rest of the world is going down in every way, but in Israel it’s going up.
Everybody has to be ready.
There will be 27 years of war (from 5773 til 6000).
The midrash rabbah says G-d is going to deliver Am Yisrael with the 72-letter name which is chesed (chesed has gematria of 72) and this is the name of geulah and hints to the year of geulah – 72. This is the year of Mashiach. This is the end. Not the end, but the beginning of a new era.
The Arizal said this generation (the generation of Mashiach) is the souls of those who went up out of Egypt and that’s why it says, “In the merit of righteous women we were redeemed and in the merit of righteous women we will be redeemed.”
“The power is in the hands of the women.”
Moshe Rabeinu was the first redeemer and he’ll be the last redeemer.
Mashiach is the representative of Hashem in His world and is going to rule the whole world.
This is the time to reveal all the hints.
The future redemption parallels the redemption from Egypt. It started in Tamuz and the first plague happened in Av.
Mashiach ben Yosef was already here and now we are waiting for Mashiach ben David.
@Davash
If MBY is already here why do we need a flashlight/microscope/magnifying glass to see him ?
I wonder what the person who is to be Mashiach ben David is going through now ?
Perhaps he doesn't know who he is !!
I got a little further along. She says:
I can’t tell you who Mashiach ben Yosef was, but it can be more than one person. Sparks from his soul can be in many people – gedolim, tzadikim.
The Third Temple is already on its way down from the upper levels.
The army of Hashem is already here. People think it’s aliens, but its angels. All the earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis – nothing happens that Hashem does not send angels to carry it out.
Various calculations of 5772 from the words of Tanakh.
It's still got a bit to go, but someone else will have to finish. I'm out of time for it right now.
Thanks to Yeranen Yaakov and Shirat Devorah for the link!
Thanks for summarizing part of the shiur, Devash.
Thank you Devash.
I'll assume you meant that the war will last until 5800.
Thanks for the great summary.
I can’t tell you who Mashiach ben Yosef was, but it can be more than one person. Sparks from his soul can be in many people – gedolim, tzadikim.
.........but the same argument could be made for moschiach Ben David I.e more than one person, sparks from his soul can be on many people gedolim, tzadikim.
My pleasure, guys. Anonymous, I didn't hear where this idea came from, but I'll share my take on it. I think that both things are true - that there is one definitive MBY and also that there are those with soul connections to him which not only help him accomplish his mission, but also share his burden of suffering.
I happen to believe that there is only ONE Mashiach who appears in every generation as MBY and if either the people merit redemption early or the final time has arrived, he will transition from MBY to MBD.
NOTE: The GR"A was known to be the MBY of his generation and he tried to come to Eretz Yisrael, but could not complete the trip because he received the soul of Moshe Rabeinu while he was enroute and Moshe does not have permission to enter the Land of Israel. (If anyone needs the source for this, I'll have to look it up.)So, this is an example of a MBY who transitioned to MBD and still the geula did not come, but it got a good start!
If the designated MBY dies without becoming MBD, then the next potential in the next generation gets that additional MBY soul attached to him. I think that is what the saying means, "Pray that MBY doesn't die." If he does, it means we didn't merit redemption.
If it's true that MBY "was already here," it could mean that our designated Mashiach has completed the mission of MBY and has already transitioned to MBD and is only awaiting his revelation. Which all means we're quite a bit further along in the process than many of us realized.
Your theory is full of TOO MANY GAPING holes !!
Unfortunately the theory has been propagated from age to age for eons that many people are so sure it is ABSOLUTE TRUTH !!
A famous yid once said Hashem don't play dice !!
If He does we will never see geulah !!!
rav dovid abuchatzeira rosh chodesh tammuz moshiach
rav kaduri moshiac appear rosh chodesh
22:00-22:30 on shier
http://moriyasplace.blogspot.com/2012/02/moshiach-tisha-bav-5772-5772.html
Unfortunate. Like so many failed promises from those who may be sincere but constantly error upon messianic speculation. I hurt for those who buy into the "dates" and nothing happens. It would be better for these speculators to keep their mouth shut.If one Jew's emunah is damaged by these broken promises,MBY/MBD will not take it lightly.
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Mashiach did not come .
Can ms iris say why he did not come?
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