Latest Posts on the Whole "Mashiah in Av 5772" Concept
The Absolute Truth wrote that he verified the whole concept with the wife of Rav Zaccai - the Havruta of Rav Kaduri ZTVK"L.
On the other hand, Geulah Perspectives has a podcast that says:
1) (31:30) We cannot guess that Mashiah will come in Av 5772
2) (36:15) If we say Mashiah will come in Av 5772, we can be assured that he will not come at that time.
Time will tell.
posted by yaak @ 7/20/2012 06:26:00 AM
9 comments
9 Comments:
That is why I am offering 100 pages of documents that point to 5772 as the time. I think to ignore messages from Hashem is showing a lack of emunah. Everything is from Hashem, let us accept it with a very positive attitude and say thank you. We have never, ever seen this much proof in all of history.
Whats wrong with Geulah perspectives? The chachamim already established as to why we make kitzin especially now When The Rebbe MH"M promised us in the way of nevua that "immediately the geula behold moshiach comes (came)" meaning AT LEAST those that are alive from that talk - the youngest of them will merit moshiach. So this is the generation of Geulah. And the Malbim writes about the prohibition to make kitzin was only for the time right after the churban And the tzemach Tzedek made a ketz the Ramban who was bchezkat navi as said by the Rebbe MH"M. And the list goes on the Raavid has a ketz for this year! And kal vchomer that now when we are on the threshold of geula to desire and to look for signs of the geula amitis vhashleima. Yechi Hamelech Hamoshiach!
"That is why I am offering 100 pages of documents that point to 5772 as the time."
Menachem, you don't understand that yaak can offer 100 pages of documents that point to 5773, or 5774, as the time.
I really am not kidding about this. You will see, Rabbi Yekusiel Fish **will** produce these documents.
Yitz, Menachem does not think that the Lubavitcher Rebbe is MH"M.
My 100 documents include much from Tenach, Talmud, Zohar, Midrash and on and on and on. I do see events that will happen in 5773. I'll compile another 100 pages for that some day but it won't change the proof for 5772. I hope that you are not saying that the Tenach, Talmud, etc, etc are wrong, chas v'sholam; they have been perfectly correct forever. If you think it is what we are reading into it, then you have to be doubting all the Gadolim of now and for the past 2000 years. The ones that are the most skeptical are the ones who have not really looked at the evidence. Seeing is believing.
I am very big on the Rebbe -- he was a Gadol Hador. Is he the Moshiach, I don't know; but, I will stay tuned for further developments. Have a great Shabbat and Chodesh Tov (and I do mean Chodesh Tov)
AT: We have never, ever seen this much proof in all of history.
I'll agree with that.
Yitz: I disagree with your "Rebbe MH"M" business, but what you are saying about Mehashvei Kitzin is accurate. There are actually two views on the subject so I'm not sure it's right to say Geula Perspectives is wrong. On the other hand, he cannot say that the other view is wrong. Both have Rishonim to rely upon. See here and here. Rav Fish himself wrote a whole essay on why it's OK to predict Be'itah dates which he included in his original essay.
Josh, the idea that Rav Fish promotes is that it's around this time - the period following 5770 until the year 5775 that is most conducive for Mashiah, with the process starting in 5772. Of course, if we're not worthy, he can come any time afterwards too. As far as I know, Rav Kaduri only said Av, 5772, so that seems the most likely time, BE"H. Others have followed too. May it be Hashem's will.
"My 100 documents include much from Tenach, Talmud, Zohar, Midrash and on and on and on."
I'm sure they do. But coupled with **interpretations** of these sources.
"I hope that you are not saying that the Tenach, Talmud, etc, etc are wrong, chas v'sholam; they have been perfectly correct forever."
No. I am, however, saying that YOU are wrong. From seeing what you have posted in general on your blog and elsewhere, you seem to have a difficulty distinguishing between the two. Your interpretation of Tanach is not the same as Tanach.
If you think it is what we are reading into it, then you have to be doubting all the Gadolim of now and for the past 2000 years.
Not at all. All the Gedolim say 5772?! Hardly. Rather, the ones you have accumulated (or were emailed by someone who accumulated). The Talmidei HaGra (and indeed the Gra), who predicted a date which has long since passed, did not predict 5772.
And that is why Rabbi Fish will have another 100 pages 10 years from now, full of gematriot, proofs from Tanach, gemaras, gedolim, etc.
That there are 100 pages is a testament to the cleverness and number of people interpreting sources, not to the fact that these 100 pages constitute so much greater evidence than for the ketz of the Ramban, the Rambam, or the Gra.
Yaak, to clarify, I am not insulting Rabbi Fish here. Rather, I am trying to clarify for Menachem's benefit the nature of the "proofs" that he has accumulated, so that he does not continue to confuse 'tzipita leyeshua' with 'absolute' proof to a ketz.
kol tuv,
josh
lets not start bickering. its not going to help bring the third temple now. both sides are correct. everything points to the now period, but we too have a role to play, to make ourselves worthy.
I have a big question mark about these predictions. I believe the "process" has been going on for years, slowly, because not everyone has done the proper soul searching? As we read about more and more so-called respectable Rabbis and other persona "going astray" things are being pushed off, with more tragedies occurring.
All of klal Yisroel needs an awakening! Sorry to sound down, but my intuition says otherwise.
It depends on the teshuva, if we do it properly he will come today or if you want to say in the month of Av or by the year 6000 for sure. Do not dream to much, and don't sell your houses and businesses because of someone's believe. Work on your midot, Unity and other good traits to finish your tikkun not "HIS".
Shabbat Shalom
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