Tuesday, May 10, 2005

Message from Mashiah returns - with Explanation

gog1.com returned its Message from Mashiah and explained why it was removed and why they restored it. They say that the Sandlar has no connection to any previous Sandlar, but is simply a Tzaddik Nistar who was connected to the gog1.com people via another Tzaddik.
They also say that what the Sandlar said - he still believes will happen - but just not as quickly as he had originally thought.
The gog1.com people believe that if something does happen, it will definitely happen before the disengagement.
Click here for the full text. (in Hebrew)

Update: It's translated into English here.


At Wed May 11, 02:33:00 AM 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those who know dont say. Those who say dont know.

At Wed May 11, 02:34:00 AM 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those who know dont say. Those who say dont know.

At Wed May 11, 10:14:00 AM 2005, Blogger yaak said...

>Those who know dont say. Those who say dont know.

Usually, that would be true, but not when it's so close, you can taste it. I think the rabbis who made statements are trying to encourage people to do Teshuva right before the event. The Gemara in Helek has a Mahloket, I believe, whether Teshuva is required before Ge'ula.

At Wed May 11, 11:49:00 AM 2005, Anonymous Yaakov N said...

In 1992 Rav Mordechai Eliyahu (then the Chief Sephardic Rabbi of Israel) met with the Lubavitcher Rebbe. The discussion was recorded and transcribed in the 5752 volume of "Sefer HaSichos."

They are discussing the geulah, and the Rebbe states what it says in the gemara, "all the 'fixed times' for redemption have passed and now it only depends on tshuva." The Rebbe states clearly that the requirement of tshuva has been fulfilled (in the spiritual realms, obviously): "Jews have already done tshuva, real tshuva, and the only thing now is for Moshiach to come in actual reality." He continues that "there is nothing to wait for, all the divine service has already been completed and it is only dependent on the coming of Moshiach himself."

At Wed May 11, 12:36:00 PM 2005, Blogger yaak said...

Thanks. Very interesting.
But I'm sure that the Rebbe Zt"l would agree that:
1) we could always use more Teshuva, especially in our day and age
2) the more Teshuva we do, the faster he'll come

At Wed May 11, 07:28:00 PM 2005, Blogger MatzahNacho said...

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At Wed May 11, 07:35:00 PM 2005, Blogger MatzahNacho said...

I'm glad they put the letter back up, and the explanation they gave works for me. They seem sincere. I had noticed when I first saw translations of the letter that a Hebrew word that appeared to me to say "counted," was translated as "a few." Choosing the word relating to counting could certainly be pointing to something happening during or at the conclusion of Sefirat HaOmer. I guess we'll see soon enough!

At Wed May 11, 09:54:00 PM 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Besiyata Deshamaim

I cant believe that we havent learned from the Shabatai Tzvi disaster.
You dont need some Kabbalist somewhere to give predictions or opinions, we have had enough of that in the past, and then when nothing happens its this or that or we arent worthy
Open your eyes and see the Yad Chazaka UZroah Netuya of the Borei Olam as day in and day out he performs nissim for us by confounding the Sharons and Pereses of the world, the achdut of Bnai Israel is growing. Heroism against the expulsion, of Rebbeim standing up and risking false imprisonement for telling the emes and standing up for their brethren.
Stop looking for nistar and start looking at what Hashem is doing openly.
Hillel called us Bnai Neviim, we can see for ourselves the imminent geula on our own.

At Wed May 11, 10:23:00 PM 2005, Blogger MatzahNacho said...

Anonymous, why assume we don't see it with our own eyes? I thought it was rather clear things were unfolding very quickly the last several years. I only discovered blogs last December and these Redemption oriented sites a few months ago. It never hurts to discover that one's perception is supported by great Rabbis and Kabbalists. I enjoy reading what they have to say on the subject.

At Thu May 12, 08:02:00 AM 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I, like all of you, hope that all of the "predictions" are correct,however i do feel they statement I made above "thos who know..." still holds true.

It is impossible to predict when the Moshiach is coming,Yaakov Avinu was not allowed to disclose it (saying that because it was to far away in time is not an argument) and even Rebbi Akiva got it wrong (yes Bar Kochba had potential ect ect, but the fact remains that it wasnt to be). Every time we have become too caught up in Moshiach disaster has followed.

Discussing Moshiach in the context of the Shas and Poskim is one thing but we are hearing the Moshiach has insisted a letter get published on the net !!!! This prophecy can maybe mean this or that ! This Rav promises Moshiach will come today or tomorrow ect ect!

To my mind this is not Torah and thats the bottem line!

At Thu May 12, 09:58:00 AM 2005, Blogger yaak said...

I appreciate your concern. I felt this way for many, many years.
However, lately, things have changed. When all rabbis everywhere say that we are Be'Ikveta DeMishiha (in the footsteps of Mashiah), we know that we are living in a special generation.

One rabbi (I believe it's R' Akiva Eiger) gives a Mashal (embellished by me):
A family is taking a car trip from one city to another, and it takes 20 hours to get there. A child asks his father, "How much longer?" The father doesn't answer directly because if he says the actual amount of time, the child will get discouraged. However, when they start to get to within an hour of the destination, the father starts answering "45 minutes", "20 minutes", etc. When it's so close, the child will not get discouraged. The Nimshal is pretty obvious.

>To my mind this is not Torah and thats the bottem line!

I disagree that this is not Torah. The rabbis who are making predictions are absolutely basing it on Shas and Poskim (and Zohar, I imagine). If I would make a prediction, it would mean nothing. But, here we have great rabbis, who are known for their Torah knowledge way before this year, making predictions. Believe me, I'm listening.

At Thu May 12, 11:32:00 PM 2005, Blogger yaak said...

It wasn't R' Akiva Eiger - it was the Malbim.

At Fri May 13, 01:54:00 AM 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Letters claiming to be written by the Moshaich are not based on the Zorah or any other source. I agree we are in the footsteps and yes it is pretty obvious that the redemption will be soon but the Malbim never meant that people should stand up and say the redemption will take place tomorrow or during this month. Again not even Yaakov Avinu could reveaL that.

At Fri May 13, 10:19:00 AM 2005, Blogger MatzahNacho said...

Maybe if it was really going to happen this month they would tell us. And it's possible that the reason the internet was created was so that Am Yisrael all over the world could get information quickly at a time we need it the most. If we didn't have a means of communication, Mashiach could be shouting from a rooftop in Jerusalem and the rest of the world would be clueless. I doubt mainstream media would bother to cover it.

At Fri May 13, 12:33:00 PM 2005, Blogger yaak said...

> but the Malbim never meant that people should stand up and say the redemption will take place tomorrow or during this month. Again not even Yaakov Avinu could reveaL that.

But, again, Yaakov Avinu didn't live in the times we live in today. We are so close.

Granted, the message from Mashiah turned out to be not true (yet). The writers at gog1.com are now much more reserved with their optimism. I think they're being more careful now with what they post up there. Just read their explanation to see what I mean.

That said, I still believe that if there is something real to be said, it should be. It will:

a) help people do Teshuva if they know something is imminent


b) add to the Ness when it happens that it was predicted beforehand. It will wow people to the point of saying "Hashem Hu HaElokim".


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