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Wednesday, November 20, 2013

Marriage Between Unweddables is Now Law in Illinois

It was a slow-moving train-wreck, but the disaster finally materialized:
Gov. Pat Quinn today signed a historic measure into law making Illinois the 16th state in the nation to allow gay marriage.

The Democratic governor put pens to paper at a desk brought up from Springfield that his administration says President Abraham Lincoln used to write his first inaugural address. That speech, delivered on March 4, 1861 as the Civil War was unfolding, called on Americans to heed “the better angels of our nature.”
I'm pretty sure Lincoln would not be proud.  I'm very sure Hashem is not.

Besides the anti-Torah and morally grotesque nature of it, there are some other problems for the rest of us:
Meanwhile, opponents led by religious organizations say they fear the measure doesn’t go far enough to protect their rights. While the bill would prevent religious groups from being forced to perform or host wedding ceremonies for gay couples, they argue faith-based organizations may be forced to provide health insurance to an employee’s same-sex spouse.

Further, opponents contend the measure has little to no protections for wedding photographers, bakers or other service providers who could face legal action if they refuse to work for same-sex couples due to their religious beliefs.
And last, but not least, we have Bereishit Rabba 26:9, which tells us that such marriage documents were what sealed the fate of the Generation of the Flood.

So, thank you very much, Illinois legislature and Pat Quinn.  You have made the most bankrupt state morally so as well.  And a more dangerous one to boot.

עַל-זֶה, הָיָה דָוֶה לִבֵּנוּ--עַל-אֵלֶּה, חָשְׁכוּ עֵינֵינוּ

10 Comments:

At Wed Nov 20, 06:18:00 PM 2013, Blogger Leah said...

Golllly! You can literally see us going over a cliff....right over the parapet. Aaaggghhhhh........

 
At Wed Nov 20, 09:27:00 PM 2013, Blogger Avi said...

What a ridiculous sentiment. It's not immoral to engage in homosexual relationships. The Torah says that Mishkav Zachar is a Toevah. It doesn't say that it's immoral. That decision came from people. Well, other people have decided that it's not immoral. Why can't you just leave them alone? They aren't hurting you at all.

I really hate that people have latched on to one specific act which the Torah forbids and has extrapolated that out to pure hate and fear of people born with a desire for those of the same gender.

 
At Wed Nov 20, 09:28:00 PM 2013, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find this offensive on many levels. I recently read of several lawsuits where "gay" couples are suing to force private businesses, such as bakers and photographers as the article stated, to provide wedding services to them. I recall a time, not so long ago, when a business-owner could refuse service to anyone. Well, apparently not anymore.

 
At Wed Nov 20, 10:32:00 PM 2013, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not about hate . It's about open refusal to propagate a species. It's the act of generational suicide. What yesterday was not typical through acceptance and media hype it has become a standard and in everyone's face . This is why this is the last age of America will eventually fall to pieces not enough straight W.A.S.P ,s producing children . I say 10 more years and every strange type of unheard of marriage will allowed.

 
At Wed Nov 20, 10:34:00 PM 2013, Blogger yaak said...

Avi,

The Torah says that Mishkav Zachar is a Toevah. It doesn't say that it's immoral.

I fail to see your distinction as one is the consequence of the other.

I really hate that people have latched on to one specific act which the Torah forbids and has extrapolated that out to pure hate and fear of people born with a desire for those of the same gender.

And I really hate when people extrapolate on their own that I - or anyone else against such "marriage" - hates or fears such people. Such extrapolation is farthest from the truth. I don't hate them or fear them, as those who like to use the word "homophobic" imply. Rather, I pity them for being in that situation and despise legislation that condones solidifying their sin as "marriage".

 
At Thu Nov 21, 03:38:00 PM 2013, Blogger Avi said...

@Yaak,

You do know that the law is not aimed at Jews, right? It is not a sin for non-Jews to behave in this manner. I don't get why you consider this a sin for them, but eating pig is just fine.

What was forbidden to Jews was not (necessarily) forbidden to non-Jews. So why is this such a big deal?

Besides, the Parsha in Acherei Mos is clear that these are forbidden because they are (bad) things that the surrounding nations do. So go ahead and let them get on with it. Why does you or anyone else here care? Does it affect you personally?

 
At Thu Nov 21, 03:40:00 PM 2013, Blogger Avi said...

Another general question: what is it about gay relationships between people you've never met, nor will ever meet, such a moral outrage to you? Why do you care? There are 100s of other immoral (your belief) behaviors perpetrated all the time. Why is this one such a big deal? Because it involves sex?

 
At Thu Nov 21, 03:46:00 PM 2013, Blogger yaak said...

Avi,

You do know that the law is not aimed at Jews, right? It is not a sin for non-Jews to behave in this manner.

This is 100% false. The Generation of the Flood were not Jews. Nevertheless, the world was destroyed because of this sin - and not just the sin of the actual act, but the sin of writing marriage documents FOR the act.

I don't get why you consider this a sin for them, but eating pig is just fine.

Have you heard of the 7 Mitvot Benei No'ah? There's your difference right there.

What was forbidden to Jews was not (necessarily) forbidden to non-Jews. So why is this such a big deal?

See above.

Besides, the Parsha in Acherei Mos is clear that these are forbidden because they are (bad) things that the surrounding nations do. So go ahead and let them get on with it. Why does you or anyone else here care? Does it affect you personally?

Did you read the post at all?!?! I named at least 2 reasons in the post why this affects me - 1) businesses can be sued for not providing services for these "couples" out of principle, and 2) As the Midrash points out, destruction comes to places due to the sin of government-sponsored marriage contracts for these "couples". I think this affects me dearly.

 
At Thu Nov 21, 03:50:00 PM 2013, Blogger yaak said...

Another general question: what is it about gay relationships between people you've never met, nor will ever meet, such a moral outrage to you? Why do you care? There are 100s of other immoral (your belief) behaviors perpetrated all the time. Why is this one such a big deal? Because it involves sex?

Of course, I hate all immoral behaviors. I care deeply about this one because this is the one that the government sponsors and society thinks is WONDERFUL!!!! Plus, the Midrash tells you the consequence of this moral outrage.

 
At Tue Apr 08, 04:52:00 AM 2014, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm with ya on this! Gay marriage has got to go. It's a disgrace!

 

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