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Thursday, November 21, 2013

Early Sources for Thanksgivvukah

שבת כא:
לשנה האחרת קבעום ועשאום ימים טובים בהלל והודאה

רמב"ם הלכות חנוכה פרק ד' הלכה י"ב
מצות נר חנוכה מצוה חביבה היא עד מאד וצריך אדם להזהר בה כדי להודיע הנס ולהוסיף בשבח האל והודיה לו על הנסים שעשה לנו.

רש"י שבת כד. ד"ה מה תפלה בברכת הודאה
דהא כולה מילתא דחנוכה עיקרה להודאה נתקנה

ט"ז או"ח סי' תרפ"ב ס"ק א'
דכולי מילי דחנוכה הודאה נינהו

מ"ב סי' תרפ"ב ס"ק ב'
דכולה מילתא דחנוכה עיקרה הודאה היא

כל בו הלכות חנוכה
ערבית שחרית ומנחה מזכירין חנוכה בהודאה

דרך ה' חלק ד' פרק ז' אות ה'
ואחר כך זה חנוכה ופורים, שאין בהם ביטול מלאכה אלא הודאה בחנוכה ושמחה ג"כ בפורים


At Fri Nov 22, 02:25:00 AM 2013, Blogger Cosmic X said...


At Fri Nov 22, 10:30:00 AM 2013, Anonymous Anonymous said...

how rare is Chanukah on thanksgiving??

At Fri Nov 22, 10:44:00 AM 2013, Blogger yaak said...


Extremely rare.

There's a good article on about it.

At Sat Nov 23, 05:28:00 PM 2013, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

It never happened before, and it will never happen again...especially since America will limp into 5775 barely surviving. But even if it did not, every 100 years the Gregorian gains one day against the Jewish calendar. Starting in the year 2100 ce, the earliest that Chanukah will fall in any 19 year luni-solar cycle will be on November 29th making it impossible for it to fall on the 4th Thursday in November. The latest that Thanksgiving can fall is on November 28th as it is the case this year because Nov. 1st was on a Friday. Well I guess it would still be possible for the first night of Chanukah to fall on Nov. 28th but NOT the first day starting in the year 2100.

It is odd that Hodu means Give thanks, India, and the American turkey. I don't think it was planned that way.... by men though.

At Sat Nov 23, 06:03:00 PM 2013, Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

I saw the Chabad website, and now I see that at one time Thanksgiving was the last Thursday in November and not the 4th Thursday in November. That changes the equation before FDR, but that is cheating. Before the 1860s I think that the Pilgrims and the Puritans in Mass. celebrated Thanksgiving during Sukkot! You can check into this, but they spoke fluent Hebrew on the Mayflower. It kind of explains why Cotton Mather had a father named Increase Mather. "Increase Mather"? Is that Mather HaGadol or Rav Mather? You figure that out. It is self-explanatory that they were celebrating Sukkot.


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